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Participants:
  HandiBot (disabled@trantor.student.utwente.nl)
  Disabled (disabled@lawgiver.megacity.org)
  PeiAway
  DopeHat (khodgdon@ionet.net)
  Pyro
  Mooooooo (dse@pacific.net)
  ChanServ (nanook@eskimo.com)
  Mimi (mimi@lino.com)
  Riverboat
  Char2
  Catz (AMCgroup@support-group.com)
  al2
  Hop-along
  Amazin1
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<Mimi> how are you tonight? 
<Amazin1> I'm back 
<Mooooooo> wb :o) 
<Mooooooo> 6:00pb :o) 
<Amazin1> :) thanks 
<Mooooooo> hey al2!! 
<Mimi> sorry Daniel I got confused :o) 
<Mooooooo> hehe 
<Mimi> hello everyone who just joined us! :O) 
<Mooooooo> wb Denise :o) 
<al2> ahoy mooooo 
<DopeHat> hi al2 
<al2> ahoy dopehat 
<Mimi> Tonight's meeting is about Disability Foul-ups, 
    Bleeps, and Blunders 
<Catz> my dad says hello to hop-along 
<Mooooooo> cool topic :o0 
<Mimi> Has your disability ever gotten you into a funny or 
    embarrassing situation? 
<Mooooooo> :o) too 
<Hop-along> hello 
<Mooooooo> Mine has!!! 
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<Mimi> let's hear it, Daniel :o) 
<Mooooooo> I fell down on the highway in my body cast 
<Mimi> hello, Simon, Judy 
<Mimi> eek! 
<al2> hey phoenyxx... finally we meet! 
<Hop-along> Catz, Who is your Dad. 
<phoenyxx> hello al2 
<Mooooooo> with a semi coming down the road 
<Mimi> for those who just came in, the question is: Has 
    your disability ever gotten you into a funny or 
    embarrassing situation? 
<Mimi> oh, my god, what did you do? 
<phoenyxx> I've flipped my chair a few times trying to hop 
    on or off curbs. 
<Amazin1> moooo-ve it 
<Mooooooo> the truck stopped 
<Mimi> I guess so or you wouldn't be here! 
<Mooooooo> but i was able to get up 
<Mooooooo> it sure was a site to see though 
<Mooooooo> people were watching 
<Mooooooo> was pretty funny 
<Mimi> did anyone run to help? 
<al2> anybody offer to help ya? 
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<Mooooooo> nope, they just kina looked 
<Mimi> sheesh! 
<al2> afraid, no doubt 
<Mimi> guess they didn't want to tangle with that semi, 
    either :O) 
<Mooooooo> i looked like a turtle on his back 
<DopeHat> some people 
<DopeHat> hehe 
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<Mimi> full body cast? 
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<Mooooooo> from my neck to my butt 
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<Mooooooo> i think i fell two more times after that 
<Mimi> lol 
<Mooooooo> the only 2 times Jenny didnt walk to school 
    with me 
<Mimi> where was she when you needed her?! ;o) 
<Mooooooo> heh 
<Mooooooo> ok, who else has a story? 
<Amazin1> My crutchtips got suctioned to the wet pavement 
    at SeaWorld last year....and slid down a walkway the very 
    same day, doing the splits and not very gracefully, I 
    might add 
<phoenyxx> yikes! 
<Mimi> *g* 
<Mooooooo> hehe, ive seen that happen :o) 
<Mimi> what were they doing in wet pavement? :o) 
<Mimi> oh, I was thinking like wet cement, I get it now 
    :o) 
<Amazin1> about 5 Japanese ladies just stood in a circle 
    around me...trying to figure out what to do 
<DopeHat> i had my sister turn my wheelchair at the 
    airport 
<phoenyxx> One of the times my chair flipped my friends 
    and I were videotaping and the first thing I yelled 
<Mimi> what did they finally do, Denise? 
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<phoenyxx> was 'Where's the camera' to make sure it was 
    packed in the case! 
<phoenyxx> :-) 
<Amazin1> nothing 
<DopeHat> turn it over 
<Mooooooo> hi bee-jaah and gordon! 
<Mimi> hello beejaah, gordon 
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<bee-jaah> Hi all 
<Amazin1> my sister-in-law finally acknowledged that she knew 
    me and let them know I could get up on my own 
<Mimi> the current question is: 
<Mimi> Has your disability ever gotten you into a funny or 
    embarrassing situation? 
<Hop-along> Hello to you all. Nice to talk to you all. 
<gordon4> hello!hello 
<Mooooooo> It was VERY embarrassing when I got my cast on 
<al2> I think I've led a sheltered life 
<Mooooooo> was layed out naked in front of over a dozen 
    men and women 
<Mimi> how come, al2? 
<Mooooooo> they were there to observe 
<bee-jaah> Oh yes my left side has a mind of its own and 
    goes off on a tangent when it feels like it 
<al2> all my predicaments weren't funny 
<Mimi> eek! how old were you? 
<Mooooooo> 16 
<Mimi> yikes *wince* 
<Mooooooo> well all the women were nuns and the men were 
    doctors 
<Mimi> you mean not all of them were, or none of them 
    were, al2? 
<judi> Hi! All my predicaments haven't been funny either 
<al2> none were funny... either dangerous or painful 
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<Mimi> were the nuns nurses? 
<Mooooooo> al2, ya gotta admit the nurse thing was VERY 
    funny :o) 
<bee-jaah> In the middle of a department store here with a 
    huge display of cystal you can guess the rest 
<Mimi> LOL 
<al2> well... ok 
<Mooooooo> yep Mimi 
<Mimi> yeah, I agree ;o) 
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<al2> pleasurable, too 
<Mooooooo> hello cinnandy 
<Mimi> LOL 
<Mooooooo> lol 
<cinnandy> Hi judi!!!! 
<judi> Hi Cinnandy 
<cinnandy> Suprise 
<judi> Very 
<Mimi> the question was funny OR embarassing...so shoot, 
    guys! 
<cinnandy> so hows the conversation going? 
<Mooooooo> going great :o) 
<cinnandy> Hi everyone by the way 
<phoenyxx> One time I got a voice mail about one of the 
    TV shows my friends and I do and no joke, one caller 
    seemed to think the chair was 
<Mimi> good cinnady, the current question is: Has your 
    disability ever gotten you into a funny or embarrassing 
    situation? 
<phoenyxx> a prop! 
<Mimi> a prop? for what? 
<Mooooooo> simon, you mean that chair is for real????????? 
    :oP 
<phoenyxx> No, literally they thought the chair was part of 
    the show and not for real. 
<Mimi> LOL 
<cinnandy> well MimiI don't have a physical disability, does 
    a brain malfunction count for me? 
<phoenyxx> weird- 
<phoenyxx> ! 
<Mooooooo> cinnandy, yep! You and the president are more 
    than welcome :o) 
<al2> hehe 
<cinnandy> why thank you so much! 
<Mimi> well it does for me, cinnandy, so it should for 
    you too! :o) 
<Mimi> ROFL! 
<cinnandy> thank mimi 
<phoenyxx> What made it funny was that it wasn't a gripe, 
    just that someone really thought in skit after skit the 
    chair was just for show. 
<Mimi> like they couldn't conceive of a disabled actor 
<Mooooooo> I used to have fun with my cast on 
<judi> what kind of show are you talking about 
<Mimi> what did you do? 
<phoenyxx> Mimi: yeah, but I wasn't offended, like I said, 
    it was rather funny 
<Mooooooo> once I stuck an x-acto knife in my back, poured 
    ketchup on it, and layed on the school room floor 
<Mimi> people are strange 
<Mimi> LOL 
<cinnandy> THeir ignorance, not yours! ha 
<Mimi> did anyone fall for it? 
<Mooooooo> the teacher almost had a stroke 
<phoenyxx> because nothing about my disability was ever 
    discussed, I just started appearing on camera in my chair/ 
<al2> brb... need H2O... 
<phoenyxx> and I think some people just didn't get it at 
    first :-) 
<Mooooooo> it was the same teacher who caught me with a 
    fake bandage on my hand... 
<Mimi> well Simon I don't get most of your jokes...I 
    imagine I'm not alone in the world ;o) 
<judi> have any of you ever gotten your chair stuck trying 
    to get in a 'handicapped accessible public restroom? 
<Mooooooo> I wanted out of a test so I bandaged up my 
    hand.... 
<phoenyxx> judi: yes! 
<Mooooooo> one of the other teachers was friends with my 
    mom... 
<DopeHat> when i was in the 8th grade i was in the gym 
    and i was kicking a basketball around kinda like soccer in 
    my motor chair. i missed it and my chair went up on it 
    and fell over sideways. 
<Mooooooo> she called the other teacher up in class... 
<judi> Why do they call them handicapped if you can't get 
    in them? 
<cinnandy> thats a good question! 
<Mimi> eek! 
<Mooooooo> the teacher walked up to me, smiled, took my 
    bandaged hand and slammed it into the desk a few times 
<phoenyxx> Mimi: yeah, but there wasn't a joke to get :-) 
<Mooooooo> the other kids thought she was nuts 
<Mooooooo> was pretty funny 
<Mimi> ROFL 
<cinnandy> No worse than the motel room that was suppose 
    to be handicapp accessable you rented that one time judi! 
<judi> true 
<cinnandy> mooooo maybe she was nuts! 
<Mooooooo> that would make a cool ride Keith :o) 
<Mooooooo> nah, she was my fav teacher in school 
<Mimi> but I bet it improved his aim ;o) 
<cinnandy> LOL Mimi!! 
<DopeHat> i hit my head on the floor 
<cinnandy> ouch! 
<Mooooooo> ow! 
<Mimi> *wince* 
<phoenyxx> judi- ever had someone try to justify lack of 
    accessability? 
<judi> yes 
<al2> I fell forward in the wchair once, couldn't get back 
    up and spent the next 13 hours with my face in the 
    silverware drawer (funny now, but not then) 
<cinnandy> ha ha ha ha ha you mean that actually happens? 
<Mooooooo> whoa! 
<Mimi> oh, no! 
<cinnandy> a12, bet it wasn't funny at all! 
<Mimi> sounds boring and uncomfortable 
<Mooooooo> and I can never find clean silverware when i 
    need it most 
<cinnandy> lol 
<phoenyxx> judi: ok, but have you ever had a disabled 
    person try to justify lack of accessability? now that's a 
    bad (but true) joke. 
* Mimi chuckles 
<al2> yeah... i still have silverwareaphobia 
<Mooooooo> lol 
<cinnandy> a12, I bet you do! 
<Mooooooo> do people call you forkophobic? 
<al2> and i use a chest belt now 
<judi> yes, They always think that 2' higher sink is ALL 
    they need 
<Mimi> *g* 
<al2> gee... the psychologists could have fun with 
    forkophobia 
<phoenyxx> I can laugh now at someone thinking the chair 
    was a prop- but at the time, I thought I was getting 
    ripped for having it. 
<cinnandy> what gripes me the most is when a person is in 
    a wheel chair or mobilty cart, which is provided in most 
    stores now, can't even fit the cart through the check out 
    aisle! 
<Mimi> . Are you self-conscious about being unable to 
    perform certain tasks? 
<cinnandy> Barely fit a shopping cart through most of them 
<Mimi> oops! 
<judi> And with a cart its easy to get wedged 
<Mimi> next question is: 
<Mimi> Are you self-conscious about being unable to perform 
    certain tasks? 
<al2> some tasks... like needing help to drain a leg bag 
<Mooooooo> Sometimes I am, but most times not 
<Mimi> like what? 
<phoenyxx> I'm shy about it a little. I'm pretty 
    independent but it's a little embarassing to be able to 
    push 
<judi> I still try to avoid those things 
<Mooooooo> no particular thing, just change of mood 
<Amazin1> I'm not self-concious....EVERYONE needs help at one 
    time or another 
<phoenyxx> myself all the way into a store right up to 
    what I want only to need someone to get it from a high 
    shelf. 
<Mooooooo> most times im fine though 
<judi> how do you get over being so self conscious 
<Char2> the item that i want in the store is always on 
    the top shelfe 
<al2> phoenyxx... me too, but that's never been a 
    problem... i know short tabs that need the same help 
<judi> me too 
<Mooooooo> I think it just comes with accepting that you 
    need help sometimes 
<phoenyxx> judi- for me it's just been something I've 
    gotten used to, and store clerks seem cool about it. 
<cinnandy> phoenyxx, thats very understandable, I am not 
    even in a wheel chair, and most things are to high for 
    me to reach, how does anyone expect any different from a 
    person in a wheel chair or cart? 
<phoenyxx> cinnandy: I'm 5'4' standing, so that's about 4'5' 
    sitting. I was taller when I was a kid! :-) 
<Mimi> How do you handle it when other people are 
    embarassed for you or around you? 
<phoenyxx> when I was 11 I was 4'10'! 
<Mimi> I'm short too and I need help in the supermarket 
    :o) 
<Amazin1> I'm 3'11' :) 
<phoenyxx> Mimi: for me it depends on the situation. I can 
    usually do something to put everyone at ease about it. 
<Mooooooo> Mimi, I just look them in the eye and tell 
    them to kiss my pearly white butt 
<judi> I find store personnel keep coming up to me asking 
    if I'm ok 
<Mimi> what do you do, Simon? 
<Mimi> lol, ok, Daniel 
<al2> not to worry... i can't get stuff off of shelves 
    that are right next to me 
<phoenyxx> Mimi: to put people at ease, I can usually just 
    act natural about it. 
<cinnandy> whats the deal that a sales clerk looks at the 
    person thats with the handicap person instead of directly 
    speaking to the handicap person? 
<al2> yup 
<Mooooooo> ohhh! 
<Mooooooo> the car dealer did that with me 
<judi> I sometimes feel like people want me to leave so 
    they can be more comfortable 
<Mooooooo> started talking to my friend 
<cinnandy> Dothe sales people think because someone is 
    disabled, they can't hear either? 
<phoenyxx> If I can see that people are a little nervous 
    about the chair I can ask them to sit down so we can 
    talk, that works fine. 
<DopeHat> i hate that 
<Mimi> I bet he didn't do it twice *G* 
<Mooooooo> walked right past me 
<phoenyxx> plus I make myself look relaxed, like taking my 
    gloves off for example since I gesture alot when I talk. 
<Mimi> what did you do? 
<Mooooooo> I went to the dealer next door and paid cash 
    for my new car. 
<Mimi> LOL 
<Mimi> the best revenge 
<Amazin1> lol Moo 
<cinnandy> Moooooo, good for you!!! 
<phoenyxx> cool Mooooo 
<Mooooooo> just like the time the lady in the restraunt 
    was rude to me 
<Amazin1> Moo...I'll keep that in mind...I'm car shopping in 
    November :) 
<Mooooooo> the other waitress was very nice 
<Mooooooo> I had milk and fries... $# 
<judi> you're very brave I would have crawled home, so to 
    speak 
<Mooooooo> $3 
<Mooooooo> I left her a $40 tip 
<cinnandy> Good night everyone, nice chatting with you all! 
    And good night to my adorable mother-in-law 'JUDI' 
<bee-jaah> Mooo you in a chair 
<Mooooooo> just to make the mean one mad 
<Mooooooo> nope, but i walk kinda funny 
<phoenyxx> for some reason most of the dirty looks have 
    been from other disabled persons. don't know why though :-) 
<Mimi> lol 
<Mimi> bye cinnandy! 
<Mooooooo> bye cinnandy :o) 
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<Mimi> next question: 
<Mimi> Are you self-conscious about aspects of your 
    appearance which are affected by your disability? 
<Mooooooo> as we were pulling out of the restraunt parking 
    lot, in the window we could see the wairess jumping up 
    and down 
<Mooooooo> happy 
<phoenyxx> Mimi: I am a little. 
<Mimi> cool! :o) 
<Mooooooo> I am too 
<al2> yes, but only a little 
<Mooooooo> I dont wear shorts anymore 
<Mooooooo> except inside 
<Mooooooo> or when hiking 
<Mimi> Believe it or not, I am too 
<Mimi> why do you say 'anymore?' Daniel? 
<phoenyxx> I'm comfortable about people seeing the chair but 
    I'm more nervous about people seeing my wrist braces for 
    carpal tunnel. 
<judi> I have gained a lot of weight due to cortisone and 
    I don't want anyone I know to see that or the changes in 
    my hands etc 
<phoenyxx> sounds weird, right? 
<Mooooooo> i used to wear shorts in the summer 
<Mooooooo> i got tired of nasty comments 
<Mimi> who made nasty comments? 
<Mimi> doesn't sound weird, Simon 
<bee-jaah> Im never sure weather people are looking at me 
    or my disability 
<Mooooooo> mostly dumb kids who didnt like their windows 
    and headlights :o) 
<judi> I know what you mean beejah 
<Mimi> When I had my first seizure at 16, my doctor put 
    me on Dilantin which can have a nasty side effect on 
    young girls... 
<phoenyxx> what's interesting is that I'm ok in the chair 
    in public but I've gotten into a bad habit of hiding it 
    on camera nowadays. 
<Mooooooo> what kind of effect? 
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<judi> my son used to take Dilantin, its hard on teenage 
    boys too 
<Mimi> so to this day my legs, if I don't shave them, 
    are as hairy as my husbands (but I DO shave them!) 
<al2> i don't shave anything 
<Mooooooo> wow, i didnt know that 
<turbokev> so what is the topic 
<Mimi> not to mention a couple of whiskers on my chin 
    *wince* 
<Mimi> I absolutely hate it 
<Mooooooo> look up, Kev 
<Mooooooo> /:o) 
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<Mimi> Are you self-conscious about aspects of your 
    appearance which are affected by your disability? 
<turbokev> any words + users 
<Mooooooo> Disability Foul-Ups, Bleeps & Blunders 
<judi> I hate walking funny and moving arms strange etc 
<turbokev> well my respirator and trache 
<Mooooooo> I dont like the fact I have no muscle mass in 
    my calves 
<judi> I'm sure that is hard 
<Mooooooo> thats all im really self-conscious about 
<Mooooooo> the walking funny part doesnt bother me 
<judi> I don't either mooo 
<Mooooooo> just being so skinny 
<bee-jaah> Its like having a split personaity wanting to go 
    in 2 directions at once 
<turbokev> me too moooooooooooo 
<al2> try no muscle mass below the shoulders 
<Mooooooo> i think all my mass is in my tummy 
<DopeHat> i'm self-conscious about how i look 
<Mimi> so is mine! ;o) 
<DopeHat> lol 
<Amazin1> lol 
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<phoenyxx> good one Mimi! 
<Mimi> hello sis :o) 
<phoenyxx> :-) 
<al2> yeah... I call it th 
<al2> oops 
<judi> I think anyone who looks different is self conscious 
<SIS2U> hi 
<bee-jaah> I have all my muscle mass above my eye brows 
<Mimi> sis the question is Are you self-conscious about 
    aspects of your appearance which are affected by your 
    disability? 
<turbokev> mine is in the pants (mass) 
<bee-jaah> so i hear 
<al2> yeah, I call it the 'black widow syndrome'... skinny 
    arms & legs, big belly 
<turbokev> that's a joke! 
<phoenyxx> Now, is it weird that I'm not that shy about 
    the chair anymore- it's only been 4 years. 
<SIS2U> Mimi 
<Mimi> I have a friend who's drop dead gorgeous and she's 
    afraid to go out of the house without makeup 
<SIS2U> is this yopur meeting 
<Mimi> well, yep, this one's 'mine' 
<turbokev> that is nuts 
<SIS2U> ok 
<Mimi> it drives me absolutely crazy 
<SIS2U> thanks 
<Mimi> np :o) 
<al2> i know a slightly bald guy that spray paints his 
    head 
<Mimi> lol 
<Mimi> does that stuff work? 
<judi> pathetic 
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<al2> it looks like a spray painted head 
<Mimi> wb :o) 
<Mimi> eek@ 
<turbokev> my hair is something i have to fix before i 
    leave home 
<Mimi> next question: 
<Mimi> What are positive ways youve found to deal with 
    your own embarassment? 
<turbokev> mime ur cute 
<al2> i just buzz all my hair off 
<Mimi> thanks, kev :o) 
<Mooooooo> I wear pants :o) 
<Mooooooo> seems to have cured the problem 
<turbokev> what happened to kit 
<Mimi> embarassment or self-consciousness 
<Mimi> LOL me too, Daniel! 
<judi> I wear as many clothes as possible 
<Mimi> she's on vacation, kev 
<Mooooooo> kit joined the french foreign legion 
<phoenyxx> Nowadays I try to ignore weird reactions from 
    people, and I also keep in mind I'm not the only one :-) 
<turbokev> al2 i have a flat-top hair cut 
<Mimi> true, Simon 
<judi> good answer phoenyxx 
<al2> yup, i agree with phoenyxx 
<al2> the hell with 'em 
<judi> Some are hard to ignore 
<phoenyxx> thanks :-) for a while I went on camera in the 
    chair then started hiding it because of all the nasty 
    voicemail calls about it on the show, 
<Mimi> screw em simon, it's good for em anyway 
<phoenyxx> nowadays though I'm starting to let it be shown 
    again and just ignoring the calls. 
<judi> I hide a lot but I am very shy 
<phoenyxx> Mimi: I know :-) 
<Mimi> you hide, judi? what do you mean? 
<judi> Don't go out 
<turbokev> we were at Cracker Barrel and some guy came up 
    and said 'I hope you get better' 
<phoenyxx> I'm still shy but that's usually under certain 
    conditions :-) 
<Mooooooo> there is also the 'take pictures butthead, they 
    last longer' reply 
<judi> Like what 
<DopeHat> i don't go out much 
<turbokev> I'm to nice 
<phoenyxx> judi: talking to women. :-) no joke, I still 
    get nervous about that, chair or no chair! 
<judi> I used to be an Rn, teaching patient info classes 
<Mooooooo> i had a guy stop me in the mall, start praying 
    on me, and stated speaking in tongues 
<Mooooooo> scared the crap outta me 
<turbokev> i go out a lot 
<judi> I bet 
<Mimi> do you refrain from going out because you feel 
    self-conscious, or for other reasons? 
<turbokev> thats nuts 
<Amazin1> lol...that's happened to me too Moo 
<judi> self-conscious 
<Mimi> did he live to do it again, Daniel? 
<turbokev> whois phoenyxx 
<Mooooooo> lol 
<Mooooooo> yep 
<phoenyxx> I don't go out as much as I'd like but that's 
    just because I'm sometimes busy alot. 
<turbokev> is he a tv star 
<judi> Sometimes it just seems like too much trouble to 
    take me along 
<Mimi> yes, Kev...but I'm the only one who knows who he 
    really is 
<phoenyxx> I'm out during the day going to class, and I'm 
    always out working on my show, so I got used to being 
    around people in the chair after a while. 
<Mimi> so don't even ask, ok? 
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<Mimi> Judy, are these your feelings or do other people 
    tell you that? 
<judi> my feelings 
<al2> mine too 
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<judi> thanks a12 
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<Mimi> you have just as much right to go out as anyone 
    else 
<phoenyxx> I do at least try to go the movies- we have a 
    couple of excellent accessable theatres here. 
<judi> nice to know someone else feels the same way 
<phoenyxx> I even saw an angelic vision in a movie 
    theatre. 
<DopeHat> i think i look funny 
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<phoenyxx> what? 
<Mooooooo> lol 
<Mooooooo> you mean.... HER? 
<DopeHat> i don't think i know 
<Mooooooo> the Sandra 
<Mimi> we are not discussing Sandra Bullock this evening. 
<Mooooooo> lol 
<Mimi> lol 
<phoenyxx> uh....what? 
<Mimi> jinx 
<DopeHat> sandra what 
<phoenyxx> I was just saying, we have two accessable 
    theatres here, and I try to make it to a movie every now 
    and then. 
<Mooooooo> Simon is twitterpated for Sandra Bullock 
<Mimi> next question: 
<judi> Are the theaters really accessible 
<phoenyxx> the only problem I have seeing a movie alone is 
    carrying the popcorn.:-) 
<al2> I just watch gilligan's island on tv 
<Mimi> How has it helped to be able to laugh at yourself? 
<phoenyxx> judi: yes they are. they're great. 
<Mooooooo> I laugh at myself every time I go backpacking 
<judi> that's nice 
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<phoenyxx> I've learned to laugh at minor glitches during 
    the day. 
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<iwiW> eek! 
<bee-jaah> If you can laugh at yourself then the rest of 
    the world will laugh with you and not at you 
<iwiW> ddid you get my next question? 
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<phoenyxx> example- I always have my Discman with me, and 
    a book or two to read along with my class notes. So, one 
    afternoon my lift-van ride came and the driver said to me 
<phoenyxx> as I got on the lift 'it's going to be a long 
    ride- I've got two other pickups' 
<phoenyxx> '...hope you're ready..' 
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<phoenyxx> to that I said 'what do you think?' while I 
    held up my CD player and a thick novel :-) 
<judi> I have a lot of trouble dressing myself and tend 
    to laugh when I see how I've ended up being dressed 
* Mimi chuckles 
<phoenyxx> ...I've almost rolled out the door with one shoe 
    on :-) 
<DopeHat> heh 
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<Mooooooo> I laugh at myself every time I go backpacking 
<Mimi> hello Jeff :o) 
<Mooooooo> i think i split 
<Amazin1> am I still here? 
<Mimi> I still see you all :o) 
<Amazin1> :) 
<Mooooooo> since there arent any restrooms in the forest 
    and I cant bend my legs.... 
<Mooooooo> Ive become a very good aim :o) 
<Mimi> LOL 
<Catz> bye 
<Mooooooo> bye Catz!!! 
<judi> Sometimes when things get too hard, all you can do 
    is laugh 
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<Mimi> bye Catz! 
<Mimi> oops too late 
<Mooooooo> i refer to it as a bombing run 
<Mimi> I agree, judi, and that goes for anything or anyone 
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<Mimi> lol 
<judi> don't understand 
<Mimi> next question: 
<DopeHat> yes 
<Mimi> What do you find helps when you have a hard time 
    making light of your disability? 
<judi> talking to my family 
<Amazin1> taking a nap :) 
<Mooooooo> making fun of able-bodied people brightens my day 
    :o) 
<Mimi> LOL 
<Amazin1> lol....Moo 
<bee-jaah> talking to my dog 
<judi> Me too bee jah 
<bee-jaah> they are so understanding and never? 
<phoenyxx> for me, when I'm upset or a little embarrassed, 
    I remind myself I'm not the only one. :-) 
<turbokev> anyone have trouble attracting the opposite sex 
<phoenyxx> and of course a good rant-fest is in order at 
    times :-) 
<Mimi> I just tell myself how funny I would have looked 
    on video :o) 
<Mooooooo> not me, I just have touble attracting the 
    opposite sex who are old enough 
<judi> that's a good one Mmi 
<Mooooooo> I hope people dont start taking video cameras in 
    the woods 
<Mimi> I wish I had one :o) 
<turbokev> i listen to music 
<Mimi> LOL 
<Mooooooo> I can see it on Hard Copy now.... 'Do gimps 
    sh*t in the woods?' 
* Mimi hopes they do! :o) 
<phoenyxx> Mooooo: uh, the video camera is the one of the 
    greatest invention of all time :-) 
<turbokev> they probably do (tourist) 
<Mimi> yeah, you're sure to be captured on film somewhere, 
    Daniel 
<Mooooooo> that is a camera that would never see daylight 
<Mooooooo> lol 
<phoenyxx> I wouldn't want cameras in the woods, they'd get 
    me and some friends on video loading the trucks for our 
    'accessability initiative' project :-) 
<Mimi> Would anyone else like to ask a question, bring up 
    an issue? 
<phoenyxx> I was just wondering, has anyone been thought of 
    as being in denial about their disability when someone 
    seems you acting natural about it? 
<Disabled> <Mooooooo> I would just like bring up the fact 
    that im lagged 
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<Mimi> eek! 
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<Mimi> not me, simon 
<turbokev> sorry about that 
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<Amazin1> ouch 
<Mimi> wb everyone :o) 
<turbokev> i guess i went too far 
<phoenyxx> just something I've run into a few times. 
<turbokev> what is ping 
<Mooooooo> checking travel time betwwen users 
<Mooooooo> i dont have any questions :o) 
<Mimi> I've exhausted mine :o) 
<Mimi> ok...Fun Chat! :o) 
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