*** LOG OPENED: Wed Jul 14 17:57:17 1999 --- Participants: disabled ChanServ Lily Mooooooo Lonewolf --- *** KimNchair has joined #Disabled-RT *** Angel_27 has joined #disabled-rt so, what in heavens do i do now? *** Angel_27 has left #Disabled-RT (netsplit) got questions? whazza matta? moooooo, there are none, judi didnt want any *** WonderW has joined #Disabled-RT well i have a little experience in this good as a child, i was forceably sent to a school for disabled kids anyone who was different was sent there *** Angel_27 has joined #Disabled-RT (from netsplit) ok, lets start with schools then *** Woz has joined #disabled-RT then, in 8th grade i went to public school has log started yet? yes k the difference was quite traumatic *** Reader_13 has joined #disabled-rt how did they compare? k my brother who was profoundly mr was mainstreamed be4 anyone knew what it did in the first school, we were coddles and expected to act like nice little morons in public school, we has to pass on our own merit k:) I was one of the first disabled people to go to a public school in my town yes, true mooooo me too what was your exp. like, angel? we sposed to! ? toinite? I did ok, had some teachers that didnt want to make acceptuions I needed no, it oen discussion , kim k open didn't want, or didnt have the resources, angel? the only exception i got was P.E. I had one teacher oin 10th grade tell me I didnt belong in public school only because I had to leave 10 min early to go to lunch room it was too much trouble for them o, ic ive seen autistic kid pull down hall displays of grade ones work i just happened to have several classes with david when i was freshman, our mama was special, we didn't really know david was different just knew if he got mad hide! ij school he was seizing, the teacher came runnin to me what do i do, i said just leave him the h alone how should a teacher handle this? *** Kark has joined #disABLED-rt so that it's a positive thing for the AB kid as well shouldn't have acted like he was a leper maybe even shown some leadership when seizing you need cal and if possible som1 to talk you down *** BEat has joined #disabled-rt my experience at a school for disabled kids was generally great for me, teacher's knew I was bright, they encouraged my interest in writing, etc....I was mainstreamed in 4th grade and was still in special ed for my dyscalculia (math learning disability) except that no one explained that that's what it was till much later, so I thought that, despite my verbal ability, I was stupid how did the mainstreaming go? *** anny1 has joined #disabled-rt yes, kim, but many teacher arent that bright were you mainstreamed, anny? i know lily but i was 13 yrs old:( it was generally ok, but not knowing I was learning disabled was devastating, and even harder because dyscalculia is often labeled math phobia o, ic yes was the only handicapped in small school lil same with me in California, anny was it a good experience, anny? laura you have that song on cd oh if they could see me now? lol daughter was ldg biggest prob was her self esteem and school shrink no, kim, but I agree was ok in terms of learning, socially not to hot bet? beat? beat open discussion no ! or ? I had a teacher tell me that I'd never be a writer (all I ever wanted to do was read and write, and she knew it) and that crushed me judi is not well, so we are having an open discussion I was only 10 I started regular school at 1st grade why, laura, what math got to do with it? she was plain stupid Out here they are just starting main streaming , But I feel we learnt more in a non main stream school what does math have to do with what? dyslexia are some dis. more easily integrated than others? *** Reader_13 has left #Disabled-RT (netsplit) *** Angel_27 has left #Disabled-RT (netsplit) *** Mooooooo has left #Disabled-RT (netsplit) with the ability to write, laura We where able to cope with our work far better o, netdsplit dyscalculia and dyslexia are totally different learning disabilities, max i think justin would have gotten more from school if he could have been not mainstreamed, really easy for school teachers and even me to think nothing wrong with him just mean and bad *** Mooooooo has joined #Disabled-RT (from netsplit) lily math and spelling are keys to learning dis nothing, she was just pissed off because I couldn't master haiku his daddy was gonna beat it out of him:( thay tend to be the hardest haiku?? and hold pen well so, does placement depend upon the individual, and parents shd be involved? lol, nobody masters haiku parents must be involved the classes where smaller ma did some home tutoring I think it should involed both haiku : form of poetry with 5 syllables in first line, 7 in second, and five in third yes, i agree most def parents should be and i our state the parent can insist they be involved and with idea much more is offered for a child w dis i see it from the teachers perspective too parents have to be involved abnd couldn't master that in 2nd grade what shame:) ditto lol, kim *** Angel_27 has joined #Disabled-RT (from netsplit) most arent trained in spec. ed., and dont have resources to handle lol, kim *** Ray-1 has joined #disabled-rt wish the grade system could be abolished all should be progressive and if class has 29 kids, someone is going to suffer yes Well dos'nt put more prusser on the Teachers?] our agency has advocates that go with parents and students to yearly meetings, it is helpful in explaining termanology as well as lets school staff know that they must be accountable for an appropriate education there really needs to be more understanding of learning disabilities if they don't they are in can't think of weord ( not going by:) idea act so force them i agree, ww without it, students are blamed *** Reader_13 has left irc (lost in the netsplit) yup, called behavioural or dumb wschools hate more than anything a parent with idea training:( problems mislabeled true *** Reader_13 has joined #disabled-rt and found too late, often are all schools in USA accessible? yeah, mine wasn't found till I was 17 and in college already for two years when justin was in 9 th grade , he was troublemaker so sent off to trouble maker school- they thought they had won the war *** Ray-1 has left #disabled-rt but justin was and is a leader after 3 days there they wanted to charge him with inciting a riot in our board, only 1 in 10 is w/c accessible another thing is that they refused to take me to restroom why? funding is a major problem a teacher can handel no more than 10 ppl in a special ed Yea but that only puts its back on the parent up, woz, funding the big issue if more then 10 someone will be left out right usa schools are required by law to be accessible but no many don't comply_) that's the word i was lookin for because I was too tall, and they wouldn't provide nurse, so my mom wld leave work to take me or I'd have to wait all day not all are totally accessable but classes can be moved, back in the 70's the football players took turns caring me up stairs Well how do they get on then this was in junir high i c some of my classes had to be brought down on main floor yes, one school just kept moving a class to main floor, as SB student progressed if i had known then what i know now i woulda owned those danged schools so pretty much selective integration:( what about workplace? can't speak haven't worked with a dis me either where do we draw the line at accomodating dis>, and maintaining public safety? the department of rehab has proven to be less than helpful in my case tough question ah yes How does it work there i strongly believe that mainstreaming is good for some and not good for others such as those with SEVERE mental retardation oh voc rehab is sending me to college:) in my working years i did not see much in provisions for dis they won't do that for me because I have dyscalculia Those that can its good! about the only things wer weel chair ramps all of my employers have been more than willing to accomodate my disability but i have worked for federal and state gov. mostly say I can't obtain degree, even though I said I am petitioning math req does the USA have quotas which have to be filled? I sort of liked going to public school, because I always wanted to blend in as much as possible.....not that we are still talking about school, sorry it ok, angel I went and got a job but hindsight , I would been better not too! jalena was in wc for first grade , i had to take her in, set her on floor, go back get chair then load her into it again didn't even have a dang ramp why, beat? they have a special placement program for federal lil why, beat? brb cat problem at i point in my career i was a lead man in a pilot fab dept my 2 best workers wer para paraplegics back cool thay just worked harder to prove to the world their worth nite *** KimNchair has left irc (Quit: I'm off to see the wizard ! i just hope he has a cute a:))) *** Kark has left irc (Quit: Leaving) i think it depends on the type of work, and the dis of the person doingit The work I ending up doing was very pyschial work, which made my dis worse in the long term thay also made steady progression ah, i see beat whats a pilot fab dept, woz? Alot just stay in workshops and there dis never changed top assembl ppl do work with engrg staff did they get paid for this, beat? work out bugs prior to production phase it's a bind: we can't work without education, many of us do not have money to pay for school, or we are unaware that funding exists or we don't qualify, if we cannot get education, jobs will be short-term and payments lowered well,, woz, i dont see why paras couldnt do that like a catch 22, ww? if we have esucation, then there is the questions of how much we can do in terms of energy/stamina anny, you work, any observations? yeah Yes they got a bit with there Penison, Some did very well thank you true, i cud work, but fade after 4 hrs. i dont have the stamina needed to teach all day i agree that disabled must work harder to prove they are competent, ppl try to attack your work more often that they would if not disabled don't mean to depress you guys :) carry on it ok, WW, it reality I worked from 4 am till 11 am each day but the pay wasnt anything great how long have you been working, anny? thats a long shift beat 14 yrs physical dis is obvious its the non obvious that have the biggest fight i think I'm just frustrated because of how much money they took out when I worked as aninstructional aide and is it better now, anny? i agree, woz true, max, you have a point my dis doesnt show that much, is largely perceptual ldg dyslexic ppl just dont understand Anny I agree with you 100% I always felt the same has always been fine as to physical accomidation, i think that the subtle discrimination is still very much alive its a good phrase is anybody out there????? not being selected for committees, not getting the promotion, tendancy of others to seek mistakes in your work are a few did you find that also, beat? well, I had someone tell me I wouldn't be able to work without a catheter, his reasoning was that this would take burden off ppl who would otherwise be taking me to restroom in every environment there are attackers and they see disabled as weak People seem to look for mistake in your work and he was disabled himself, not too subtle, but I wondered what was going on behind it so, we have to be better than the rest just to keep pace? yep hmmmmm, i wonder, WW it is true beat and i going to talk to someones supervisor about her tendancy to do that I think thats A very real one Ww do employers look for reasons not to hire those with dis? I don't want to have a catheter just to make it easier on everyone else Lot of friends have gone thought the same thing! yes, I think so no, WW, i agree i agree WW No why should you! reader, do you go out to work? i hate to say this but some co know some dis work harder so capitalize on that I think they overemphasize disabilities and use the excuse that they can't accomodate, if they didn't do that, they'd have to accomodate no, I work in the Apt. complex where I live... and here they get a tax break too for hiring disabled i think so 2 laura is this tax break a federal or state thing? that's not meant as a blanket statement, but I've seen it I dont know I just have heard that they get a tax break Yes here they get alot of money for hiring people with a dis no, there's always exceptions, depends on employer the deal with the tax break is they lay off the disabled worker after the tax benefit no longer exists here in tx you are in aust. beat? yes ive heard of that in ca, anny oh man, anny sad but true i have seen that to buig business tend to be ruthles so, after a yr or so is up, they find a reason to let the dis person go? happens all the time with mentally disabled maybe not so much with other disabilities Its the same here its cuts out after while and people with a dis do get put off yep that's the deal are smaller businesses better, woz? but I have to give credit to where my husband works, they work with him really well and his needs WHAT DOES HE HAVE? ooops sorry i have to say some co like hewlett packard have contributed much however that's good there are exceptions bev lol, emphatic lol He is paralyzed from chest down due to a birth injury this is well after my time but oh, ok but that a minority i think go on, beat yes, woz, i think so too When I got my job there where very very few pple with dis. Working what does he do there, angel? *** Disabilit has joined #Disabled-RT he is a people greeter part time and loves it mental have hard time getting meaningfull employment do yall think ADA has been of any real assistance on the job front? well.... yes and no thay tend to wind up in food service home care or entry leval sobs if any *** Disabilit has left irc (Quit: Disabilit) elaborate, WW? yes in the sense that public opinion has been raised, accomodation not a foreign concept and the downside? no in the sense that so many ppl have claimed to be disabled that it hurts us true woz but strides have been made as years ago they were all in workshops with no opportunity to even persue outside employment true, i know that theres a lot of mis-use here probably more in the us dead beats closing comments, anyone? yes has been interesting meeting thank you :o) do ppl take advantage of the system? hehe thanks lol your welcome yes, they do * WonderW cheers for batgirl thank you all for coming:) hehe thank you i agree, moooooo np:) isintesting topic, maybe we can persue it further i agree, we should soon yes plenty of opinions on this one ok:) yees bbl *** anny1 has left #disabled-rt ill tell judi i have a request too all those who pray, please pray for Judi sure? i sure will moo yes, i will me too thanks :o) we will storm heaven, mooooooo:) *** Angel_27 has left irc (Quit: Surely you can't expect me to be a Perfect Angel all the time.......) good show all *** Woz has left #disabled-RT i'll stop log now *** LOG CLOSED: Wed Jul 14 19:11:12 1999