*** LOG OPENED: Wed Jun 2 17:57:14 1999 --- Participants: disabled ChanServ (nanook@eskimo.com) Mooooooo (azdse@uswest.net) Lily Lonewolf suze MsStuff --- anyone else coming? *** Kim^^ has joined #disabled-rt *** anny1 has joined #disabled-rt *** In has joined #Disabled-RT *** camille has joined #disabled-rt *** MsStuff is now known as MsAmazin everyone here now? *** formatAWY has joined #disabled-rt im insiting riots here lol here ok Hi everyone did you start log, judi? Tonight we are going to discuss internet safeguards yes daniel k I hope we can do a little role playing also Before we start do any of you have anything that particularly worries you? *** formatAWY is now known as ^format^ ok whj you want me to be huh huh? o *** mom has joined #Disabled-RT OK we'll start with a question yes, i have a question oh ok go on suze *** T_J has joined #disabled-rt i know that in the past i was very confused with my lack of technological information ok i wonder if daniel could again explain about the safety of someone being able to hack or get in ones system and find out who you are daniel? u on mIRC sue? ok i have been told before that if someone is lurking in a room with ppl gimme a sec to formulate my thoughts lw am I allowed 2 say something and not talking, that they might be *** bev has joined #Disabled-RT yes In going in your back door so to speak ok, suze first.... i've also heard this is not true I have heard that also suze that is myth... some people are doing many things and once and log the channel so they can read it later being in the channel and being silent doesnt make them a threat why? they cannot hack your system without specific software installed on your computer like Back Orafice or Netbus both of which are trojans/virii and as long as you dont download files, you should not get those how would these software programs get on ones computer, is it possible they are in ones pc without them knowing it? *** mom has left irc (Ping timeout for mom[pool-207-205-186-173.clev.grid.net]) plus, if being silent was bad, I would be Al Capone :o) someone might send you a program in email or even ICQ or DCC file send in IRC *** mom has joined #Disabled-RT i b alice? even though they might be your best friend, they might not know there is a virus in it Netbus can´t work if you´re not installed the right exe.-file by yourself on your computer remember how adamant Secrets was about protecting herself? and she spread a very bad virus days later No, Netbus can be renamed and the user not aware that it has been installed I can verify that one ok, is there anyway to check ones pc to make sure such exe files aren't on harddrive? use, update your virus scanner every week yes Yes, I know. check religiously I run mine daily dont run files sent by email and update weekly not even from your own mom own download files from the author direct i delete files, go into explore and delete, is that ok? before deleting a program, see if windows will allow you to Uninstall it first ok if i wanted to check my harddrive today, could i do a file find and pull up all my .exe files and check that way? it not, then you can delete files. but do not delete anything in the /WINDOWS directory ok no, because there may be thousands of EXE files on your drive you cant tell by looking unless you are very experienced and even then its sketchy so, running the virus program would detect it though? ppl send me exe files by email sometimes, and i just delete them, they not solicited as long as it is up-to-date, it should no guarantees thank you so much daniel If you´re going to delete , that is a better way. Like Mooo said, that is. you can get a blood test and still have herpes In? *** Kark has joined #disABLED-rt did u want to say something? Marilyn? Daniel already said what I was going 2 say I had a hacker get in my pc by icq ok what's that In? Who? Yes, ICQ has some bad featues that can cause problems if not set correctly he was in my e-mail ..got ppl's addy's & r still bugging them How? one feature will automatically run a program right after downloading it *** ROCK- has joined #disabled-rt you can check your computer at www.mcafee.com this is dangerous I had 2 change addy & icq # they can send you a virus, you run it without knowing it ever was In, thats how you got that virus *** Driveshaf has joined #disabled-RT you ran the program someone sent you I know cause Daniel helped me when I got it it gave that person total control of your computer ok moving on i don't have icq, but, did in have to download a file to get that virus? I know that now......it freaked me out yes, she did you sign up for mIRC and fill out the personal info-is this safe? o, good, i dont take files by icq depends how you fill it out only if you tell the truth:) not 2 smart I know which I need to address this to marlyn too ok what did I do Daniel???? Marylin, in mIRC you list your real name as Marlyn Wilson. your real name it would be quite easy to get your home address I think I did too I don´t register for anything, unless I really must. because they know your name and what city oh no omg............can I change it go into mirc settings and change your name to something else 2 REAL DUMB then restart mirc *** Driveshaf has left #disabled-RT its not something inexperienced people notice and on ICQ you can just say, N/A do that now or can I do it later correct looks like I only used Firt name later interesting because I use my real name on everything but mIRC since youre on iirc now thx Daniel why not lil on icq question? ok cos, in, if u look at user info itll reveal everything this is very important for children and adults to never give out thier last name or location I gave no info on icq so I should b ok there then shouldn't I mooooo, what can you find out from a persons mirc id? it depends in many things as an example... look at my address right now *** Ray-1 has joined #disabled-rt But even if you´re using your own name, the other one checking it, can´t know if you are just making it up. Mooooooo is mooooooo@spoiledbrat.com * Moooooooo you can look up spoiledbrat.com and it will show I am in Phoenix also, everyone knows my first name moooooo, what (for us greenies) is 'mirc'??? one sec, mom :o) once I even gave the streets I was on someone could just go looking for a handicapped guy named Daniel near those streets and they would find me if they asked a few people Also wow scary with a first and last name, and a city, I can go to yahoo and get your phone number and address not always, but many times is it true that ppl on aol, that our mirc id changes each time we come on? therefore, more difficult to track? yikes yes, AOL users are virtually impossible to track just by address :) but... some guy emailed Daniel asking for info about me because he saw me in the Family Album AOL users tend to put too much in thier online profiles making them easier to find question omg Ms Yes, Denise that's why i have no profile I relayed the info to Denise, but I did not give that other person her name or email address and, also, why i don't want to be in family album, no offense I told him I would relay it to her and let her decide to contact him if she wants are the child browsers like surf monkey fairly safe? I have also received many requests from Leah's home address Ive never used a child browser for or from? but my nephew disabled his in 5 mins for Leah sorry surfmonkey has to have supervisor password to do anything I have also received many requests FOR Leah's home address it got me think'n...but since no info was given, I was ok with it In did you havve a question can u just use any stupid name on mirc mooooooo that's true, and ultimately, it is each of our own decision whether or not to do that yes, Marylin anything you want ok ponder this? Mine says Moooooooooooooo do u have 2 give ur addy absolutely not You know you are safe and practice safe guidelines on the internet. You are chatting and some asks where you are from, so you answer. A little later some tourist attraction in your area is mentioned and you comment on how close it is to you. Someone later mentions houses versus apartments and you tell about yours. How much information have you actually given out? you have given out way too much info a lot! Alison want to explain this? She saw this actually happen one day on the channel Too much I would say, in that case. by a safe chatter well, someone could find you so easily brb she's gonna kill me I find this all unsettling they narrow you down by specific location but, if you never give your last name... but it was you suze omg, me?? yup i believe you you live on the ground floor of an apartment I forget the rest but it was all in innocent conversation back yes, i know i do that, and it's difficult because i only come in this chat room all apts have same floor plan and the one over you was robbed what do wqe all say when meeting new nics? and i feel like ppl are my friends its even worse when you're obviously disabled *** JenPolGal has joined #disabled-rt I like to chat with people that I have things in common with or that I develope a relationship with. I am to honest to think that way people can just ask about the lady in a wheelchair and everyone will volunteer to show him to your apartment like where are u from Karen, its okay do develop friendships but go with your gut instinct and when they answer we answer back it makes me nervous when someone strts off with an asl check asl? age/sex/location age, sex, location oh remember, I met my best friend and wife to be on IRC i think it's the easiest way to break the ice... never never answer if a guy asks what are you wearing either:) unless you in the mood of course:) true daniel but ya gotta admit we are all pretty open with new people and then asks, whats yor dis, are u in a w/c I ask because I'm nosey age/sex/location first usually means they are young lol yes moooooo:) Well, I ;-) haha well i'm only 18... so there u go moo, you're right... I notice that people back away when I try to be concerned or try to find things in common to talk about. It seem like people don't want to be friendly when they are trying to protect themselves I'm leery of people saying they aren't disabled just cruising when they start querying about amputees, they are usually a devotee explain that for new people dan don´t leave more info then my first name, city and age in those asl-questions, not too specific. Ali I told suze our example was her there has been devotee's in here oh yea a devotee is someone who likes to hang out with disabled people for the thrill of it devotee?? i appreciate you telling me that thnx o, i missed that, phone rang ur welcome but thats not so different from men who like to hang with large breasted blondes that sounds to weired camille any that still come around? both have no class lol Mooooooo suze I am just as guilty :-) me too, suze, we all are not that i no of, some will tell u right off they are btw, I have met over a dozen people from IRC yes, it is a delicate balance between wanting to really get to know ppl, delvelop friendships and also protect oneself usually, they will msg you privately...right away and many more from other ways wouldn't they wanna hide something like that tho? telling me right off wouldn't make me want to get to know them any more than if they didn't tell me... yup, ive met a few, too ok next ponder . I've chatted with Daisy for ages, think I'll give her my phone >number-what's the harm? lonewolf who's daisy? your special someone? i would suggest that the first time you meet someone, do it in a public place that goes for us too Suze lol Yes I have met a few people from the AMC group and always make it in a public place I have made great friends on the net too, but only tell personal things when I really trust them, and so far, I haven´t been wrong. Been to irc-parties too It turned out well for me too :| I feel so sorry for chacha. She has had such a rough time since her accident. I'll chat with her on the phone and try to help. All she needs is $50 to see that new doc-I can afford that. never send anyone money that you dont know personally rock I never understood what happens with than netsplit T_J I didn't understand the question? who i s chacha? an example I will explain netsplits to all who are interested after the meeting remind me ok want me 2 repeat lil k yes In k not too long ago, i had a weird experience with this situation, someone wanted me to take up a collection to buy a laptop for someone in the hospital please, in? bev and i talk everyday and she nor I have given enough to trace us down with did u suze? NO I also want to make something very clear jami being nice one time went on channel i was regular in and told them i was very ill, they tried to track me in hospital being nice i guess, unwanted though, jami told them info i didn't want calls, or anything else, this was durinbg time justin was raging always and actually trying to kill me so authorities knew this, i was never in hosp under real name so he couldn't find me unguarded, anyway they couldn't find me either so was passed around that i w I gave my # 2 some1 on the channel he called could not shut him up.....will never do that again..........now he knows where I live....hubby was not impressed meeting someone on irc is not any more dangerous than a blind date jerks didn't find me and jami will nevvvvver tell anything anbout me again, i took her jkey to house away good point Kim OK I was fooled by an old irc aquaintance mooooooo,how about that guy last night taking a poll,i told him to talk to you and he was steping on his tounge we were both in a diff group but she had supposedly lost hubbies check i didn't fool with him I left i agree moo, and ive met many wonderful ppl from here, im just careful is all his poll was valid and did not asking anthing dangerous which? that it is noone's business that my son is psychotic and truly intends to kill his mother some day? ok needed check for food etc about info on net Kim had whole group ready to send money ok then I started asking questiones etc and she backed down and suddenly found check jami thought she was being nice this is someone I have talked to sincre I first joined disabled so ppl wouldn't worry IC Kim scary isn't it? i think most disabled ppl have some financial problems, so when someone constantly talks about theirs in terms of life or death, etc.. i'm suspicous very i was really more mad than scared so, if I end up in hospital my husband shouldn't tell you since he knows I chat every day? me too, suze one more thing.... Do not give your phone number to anyone who is severely depressed no bev I don't think that's what Kim meant no unless you really have the background to handle it I'm just trying to understand just i'm not gonna tell sorry yall absolutely I learnt that the hard way Daniel self educated counselors are dangerous if i don't show up i have puter probs in hosp or dead, so never worry bout me:) yes, i've had that happen online also some so called educated councelors are more dangerous I just keep calling you til I know ur ok Kim lol nlol woz how do we know they are really educated? many people here have my phone number, and all I ask is one thing a so called degree you can judi and tell everyone else 1 question when some1 talks 2 u alot on channel & u thnk he/she is depressed what the heck do u do ok kim you urge them to get professional help mainly listen too In my son was on 8th floor and was trying to be nice and supportive, and even in that environment where you see these people, he got suckered in. sometimes they just want to talk I did that now certain person will not talk 2 me Daniel when anyone calls me, please dont ask me about irc stuff what's yer # Moooooooo? ;) rofl lol I did listen judi lol, ms lol lol lol 867-5309 DANIEL that's Jenny's # thats bevs line in, just let it go, don't take on responsibility for others, you did your best It's a song!!! yea and mine is 1800 have fun:) heaven help the person with that number .... :-)) oh ok old one too that's my phone number, heehe hehe...we have 867 in this area hahha whooops 8679-302 thats the song:) . Cyber sex-my wife/husband will never find out-how could they? Why did I >get this letter asking for money or he/she will tell my spouse? > anyoune want my number no *** cushy has joined #disabled-rt that depends on your beliefs woz... ;0 but, ive seen this many times that never ocurred to me, but, there are so many scammers out there *** wacky has joined #Disabled-RT woz we alllll got your number baby I don't participate in cybernookie...no problem here already got it woz is cyber sex safe?????? lol omg