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  HelloKit (carlym@u.washington.edu)
  mon_ange (purest@hotmail.com)
  AmyWonder
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<HelloKit> logging is on 
<AmyWonder> aboutt 700 miles 
<Mooooooo> sounds like quite a trip 
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<Mooooooo> a freind asked me to drive to new mexico with 
    him today 
<Mooooooo> hello hrh2 
<Mooooooo> but i declined 
<HRH2> Hi Mooooooo 
<Mooooooo> he's going to pick up his wife and baby and i 
    cant take driving with toddlers 
<Mooooooo> how ya doing hrh? 
<HelloKit> hi hrh2 
<AmyWonder> yeah toddlers are quite a handful! 
<HRH2> Hi gang 
<HRH2> doing fine + 
<Mooooooo> cool :o) 
<Mooooooo> looks like a small crowd tonight 
<Mooooooo> so whats the agenda tonight carly? :o) 
<HelloKit> well, first thing is i wanna announce 
    something... 
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<Mooooooo> howdy drbill :o) 
<Mooooooo> okie :o) 
<DrBill> Hello Everyone. :-) 
<HelloKit> ever since i started this channel, and started 
    doing this, ive enjoyed it more than anything else ive 
    ever done... 
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<DrBill> Like I said last night.. This is the best IRC 
    channel I've ever been on. 
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<Mooooooo> /:o) 
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<Lao-tzu> hi everyone 
<Mooooooo> hey lao 
<HelloKit> and it finally occured to me, that 
    disability-counseling is what i really enjoy doing... and 
    thanks to everyone, especially mooooooo, i know now what i 
    want to do w/ my life. 
<DrBill> :-) smiles from Dr. Bill Stilwater 
<Mooooooo> which is? :o) 
<DrBill> I think anyone that has gone threw a disability's 
    process of acceptance is sure qualified to help others. 
<HelloKit> im not sure of the specifics, but i want to do 
    some kind of social work or counseling with people with 
    disabilities. something where i can run a real-life support 
    group just like#Disabled 
<DrBill> Mooooooo when you have a runny nose it's ;-) 
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<Mooooooo> thats excellent Carly :o) 
<Mooooooo> hey Gil 
<Gil> Hi all 
<Lao-tzu> I still spend time volumteering time getting folks 
    on a computer and sometimes I find it difficult to fight 
    back the darkness that some of the people still carry 
    around 
<DrBill> I volunteer with two rehab units and it sometimes 
    is very difficult. 
<Mooooooo> i think thats great 
<Gil> I could see myself volunteering, specially with 
    computer stuff 
<AmyWonder> Caryl are you thinking about going back to 
    school? 
<NatyBumpo> quit 
<mon_ange> i hate to cut this short but i must 
    go....another early class tomorrow (oh what fun) :) 
<HelloKit> working with this channel has been hard too, but 
    it always makes me feel so good to chat with all of you. 
    especially when we can help someone, the way we helped 
    simon the other day. 
<DrBill> When the SYSTEM tells you are not to work at all 
    volunteering is the only way to go. 
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<Mooooooo> see ya angel :o) 
<mon_ange> b'bye 
<Mooooooo> bye :o) 
<Lao-tzu> it's a good thing the SYSTEM changed last year, 
    because if you weren't at work volunteering was a no-no 
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<AmyWonder> or write a book 
<Mooooooo> books are good too 
<Gil> <surfing> 
<Lao-tzu> AmyWonder: what kind of book would you like to 
    write 
<DrBill> The problem is when you cann't work regular hours 
    what's there to do? 
<AmyWonder> why Lao 
<DrBill> The system figured if you could volenteer you 
    could work. 
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<Mimi__> Hi everyone! :o) 
<DrBill> Hi Mimi--- :o) 
<AmyWonder> hi mimi 
<Mimi__> How are you guys tonight? 
* Mimi__ is fashionably late 
<Mooooooo> Mimi!!!!! 
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<DrBill> I have been told I need to write about my life. 
<HelloKit> hey mimi... you missed my surprise announcement 
<younguy> hello I'm back 
<Lao-tzu> hi Mimi 
<Gil> Hi Mimsy 
<Mimi__> Oh no! Can you tell me what it was, Kit? 
<AmyWonder> oh something willd 
<HelloKit> i'll repeat it in a few mins when it looks 
    like everyone who is gonna be here is here 
<Mimi__> ok :o) 
<younguy> so what's going on 
<Mimi__> you wouldn't have that problem if everyone got 
    here on time. 
<Mimi__> sorry :o( 
<Gil> <waiting with breath> 
<HelloKit> everyone is always late, it's not just you, mimi 
<Mimi__> Hi younguy :o) 
<younguy> hello mimi 
<Mooooooo> except me, I live here :oP 
<Lao-tzu> AmyWonder, oohh, I've been thinking about writing 
    myself. I believe I would like to make a social/political 
    statement in a science fiction genre 
<younguy> are you male or female 
<HelloKit> haha, true 
<DrBill> It take some of use a long time to get the 
    attendent to put on head gear and start computer. 
<HelloKit> this is true, drbill... i speak from personal 
    experience. 
<HelloKit> luckily now i use a standalone microphone instead 
    of a headset 
<Mimi__> Ooops....didn't know that. 
<DrBill> Attendents run on their own time shcedule. 
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<HelloKit> okay, i guess i'll repeat my announcement now... 
<DrBill> I'm using a head master and WiViK tonight because 
    I'm on Vent. 
<HelloKit> ever since i started this channel, and started 
    doing this, ive enjoyed it more than anything else ive 
    ever done... 
<HelloKit> and it finally occured to me, that 
    disability-counseling is what i really enjoy doing... and 
    thanks to everyone, especially mooooooo, i know now what i 
    want to do w/ my life. 
<younguy> +good for you 
<HelloKit> im not sure of the specifics, but i want to do 
    some kind of social work or counseling with people with 
    disabilities. something where i can run a real-life support 
    group just like#Disabled 
<Mimi__> *great big grin* 
<HelloKit> working with this channel has been hard too, but 
    it always makes me feel so good to chat with all of you. 
    especially when we can help someone, the way we helped 
    simon the other day. 
<Mimi__> that's great, Carly. :o) 
<Mooooooo> just for the official record, Mooooooo is beaming 
    :oD 
<HelloKit> lol 
<Mimi__> yeah...:o) 
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<HelloKit> you know i couldnt have done any of this 
    without you 
<Mimi__> so at I 8D 
<Mimi__> so am I i mean 
<Gilbert> Excellent, Carly! 
<HelloKit> next little bit of info to share... 
<HelloKit> i got my new zip drive today... 
<HelloKit> but something was wrong with the zip tools 
    disk... and it wiped my hard drive. 
<Mimi__> oh, no! :o( 
<Gilbert> Doooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! 
<DrBill> I hope you backed up. 
<HelloKit> i was able to save most of it, but its going 
    to be a while before its working the same as it was 
    before 
<Lao-tzu> I don't like the tone of that :-{ 
<Gilbert> Ya, you got backups? 
<DrBill> 22 Jazz disks worth. 
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<Lao-tzu> what OS are you using HelloKit 
<younguy> what system do you have carly? 
<Mooooooo> hey dtb! 
<HelloKit> win 95 
<Mimi__> Hi dtb1! :o) 
<dtb> hello all! 
<AmyWonder> :) @ kit 
<Lao-tzu> hi dtb 
<Mimi__> that's disastrous Carly, that happened to me this 
    winter. It always seems like things will never be the 
    same..:o) 
<HelloKit> so right now i am using my dads laptop, which 
    isn't very carly-accessible... and typing very slowly because 
    of it 
<Lao-tzu> I'm WARPed up to my ears 
<Gilbert> Carly-accessible, I **LOVE** it!! 
<younguy> at least you have a backkup computer I didn't 
<HelloKit> my boyfriend calls anything i can't do 
    'carly-proof' 
<Gilbert> Carly-proof, duh :) 
<Mimi__> yeah, withdrawal is hard :oP 
<DrBill> I have to use 95. I was a beta tester and also 
    spoke at unvieling an accessibility. 
<Mooooooo> hehehhe 
<HelloKit> i like 95... its just a pain to recover when 
    it screws up 
<DrBill> You have that right. 
<younguy> yeah but doesn't it take up alot of room 
<Lao-tzu> I've been an OS/2 user for 9 years now, hard to 
    break the habit 
<HelloKit> i have a 2.5 gig drive... i don't worry about 
    space 
<Lao-tzu> HelloKit, that a two edged sword 
<younguy> I just got a 1.3 gig drive I used to have a 
    176mb drive 
<DrBill> Some of us use multiple environments. My base 
    operating system is Unix and running X-windows with 95 
<Gilbert> Im' gonna hafta expand from 1.7 Gig total to 5.2 
    total 
<younguy> why gil 
<DrBill> The more hard drive space the more you use. I 
    have 20+ meg on my lan and it's full. 
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<Mooooooo> heya simon 
<Mimi__> Simon!!!!!!! 
<Lao-tzu> I tried to do a backup business 2 years ago and 
    have a Magneto Optical 1.3 gig fdrive 
<phoenyxx> hello everyone! 
<HelloKit> jey simon! 
<dtb> hi simon 
<HelloKit> hey even... 
<Lao-tzu> hi simon 
<Mimi__> How are ya Simon? 
* HelloKit smacks herself! 
<Gilbert> Guy - running out of space, of course 
<Gilbert> Carly, Carly, Carly ... 
<Gilbert> Please-a, don'ta smacka the Charming 
<Mimi__> Carly we can figure it out *g* 
<Lao-tzu> DrBill: what kind of LAN do you have? I have a 
    Token Ring hooking up 3 PCs and an Ethernet to hook up 
    the Macintosh 
<DrBill> Lao-tzu--can you use 5 1/4 IBM optical disks? 
<phoenyxx> alright evervone: after careful consideration, and 
    email chiding (you know you who are! :-) ) I have have 
    come to the conclusion that my 'concerns' were in fact, 
    paranoid... :-) 
<younguy> gil what do you have on your computer that you 
    need a 5.2g drive? 
<DrBill> I have a eithernet with 12 hub. 
<Lao-tzu> DrBill, I could say the same for some 180KBs I 
    still have lying around 
<phoenyxx> Lao-tzu: token ring was a book bt J.R.R. 
    Tolkien, right? :-) 
<Mimi__> Good. You're right Simon. *g* You're paranoid. 
<Mooooooo> hahah 
<Gilbert> Guy, I got Win 95, Win 31, lotsa pics, lotsa 
    software packages ... 
<Lao-tzu> phoenixx: yep 
<Gilbert> Har, Phoney! 
<DrBill> I get transfere rate of 350mg per sec. with 
    hardware I have. 
<Gilbert> Oh, phoenix, I get it 
<phoenyxx> :-) 
* Mimi__ chuckles 
<HelloKit> simon... i have to admit that paracathy's little 
    'novel' held my interest... i love twisted 
* Mimi__ loves people who are Tolkien-aware 
<Mooooooo> and Im still waiting for my scanner 
<younguy> wow why you need both 3.1 and 95 
* dtb is a Tolkien fan too. 
<DrBill> I beta test sofware of access in OS2, Win95 and 
    Win3.1 
<Lao-tzu> Mooooooo: I have some really old stuff = a 
    videocapture card hooked up to my camcorder 
<Mooooooo> neat :o) 
<Mimi__> It did mine too, Kit. It takes all kinds. 
<Gilbert> Well, 31 is zipped right now - don't need it 
    cept for faxing in or out 
<HelloKit> thankfully all my midi's were saved... :) 
<phoenyxx> HelloKit: yeah, just the more I was thinking 
    about it, something tells me it's isolated and not some 
    'conspiracy' or threat to the world. 
<younguy> oh I see 
<phoenyxx> ...but whoever she is, it's still so intriguing 
    in a morbid way. 
<younguy> Does anybody knows a basic telnet program that I 
    can download? 
<HelloKit> try netterm, shawn... thats what i use 
<Lao-tzu> HelloKit: I have a Midi attached to my Roland 
    GR-1 synth, hooked up to my Fender Stratocaster (vintage 
    model) 
<Mooooooo> I use the built-in telnet program 
<Gilbert> Win 95 has a basic Telnet 
<younguy> where do you find it at 
<phoenyxx> I was so freaked out, like that one web site 
    was going to totally trash the credibility of so many 
    people...or that I'd be looking over my shoulder, so to 
    speak, for a possible ParaCathy in the real world. 
<Gilbert> open DOS box, type Telnet 
<Mooooooo> lemme look 
<younguy> I have win 3.1 
<Gilbert> ok, Guy 
<Mooooooo> C:/WINDOWS/Telnet.exe 
<phoenyxx> ....but, really thinking about it, there's no 
    way...you could spot someone like her a mile away...can't 
    quite describe it, just something would give someone like 
    that away. 
<Gilbert> Mine's in C:/Win/TelNet.EXE 
<Mimi__> Poor Simon. *pats Simon on the back' It won't 
    happen 
<phoenyxx> Gilbert: I didn't know telnet was still in use 
    on the net- I remember that from about 4 years ago. 
<Lao-tzu> gopher is also still alive and strong 
<Mooooooo> i still use telnet daily 
<DrBill> When you have multiple server locations you can 
    transfere fast through telnet. 
<HelloKit> so do i 
<phoenyxx> mimi: I know...that's what I was saying...not 
    something to always be looking for....and a ParaCathy person 
    wouldn't be looking for me...thanks for that one :-) 
<Gilbert> TelNet is still how many net things operate 
<Mooooooo> actually, im telneting right now 
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<phoenyxx> telnet...I remember using that to link up to 
    servers by address numbers rather than the name. 
<Mimi__> my pleasure. :o) I'm right, sometimes, too. *g* 
<HelloKit> bulletin boards, muds, moos, etc. 
<Mooooooo> hiya melanie! 
<Mimi__> Hi Melanie :o) 
<phoenyxx> hello melanie 
<younguy> I don't have one in my windows 
<melanie2> Hi 
<HelloKit> hi melanie 
<dtb> hi melanie 
<Lao-tzu> DrBill, I'm hooked up with an ISDN link and when 
    I go to U of T I get 3x the speed going through the 
    ISP tghan dialing in 
<melanie2> hi 
<phoenyxx> mimi: it just took me some time to really stop 
    and think about it. :-) 
<Gilbert> Hi Mel 
<Mimi__> I never knew what telnet was for. 
<AmyWonder> hope thee gopher folks have impoved 
<Mooooooo> I wonder if i can access disabiity online with 
    windows telnet 
<Mooooooo> i havent checked in in a long time 
<Mimi__> Too much time on your hands, Simon? 
<phoenyxx> Lao-Tzu: U of T? Texas? Tennessee? 
* Mimi__ loves to tease Simon. 
<HelloKit> you mean ability online? 
<DrBill> Lao-tzu-- is your floptical 3.5 or 5 1/4 I have 
    a stack of 5 1/4 floptical disks just gathering dust. 
<HelloKit> the one in canada? 
<Mooooooo> ooops! 
<Mooooooo> thats it 
<HelloKit> bbs.ablelink.org 
<Lao-tzu> yes, you do TELNET ABLELINK.ORG and then follow 
    the regular logon procedure 
<younguy> do they have it in 3.1 moooooooo? 
<Mooooooo> see, i told you it was a long time :o) 
<Mooooooo> i dont think so shawn 
<younguy> oh 
<Gilbert> No, TelNet is not part of 3.1 
<phoenyxx> mimi: no :-) I just over-analyze things...always 
    making sure I looked at every possbile scenario. 
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<Lao-tzu> DrBill, my MOs are 5 1/4 
<younguy> carly where did you download your telnet from? 
<HelloKit> go to www.shareware.com and search for netterm 
<younguy> thanks 
<younguy> brb 
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<Mimi__> That's good, Simon. I usually get bored with the 
    problem before I get to every possible scenario. 
<Lao-tzu> DrBill, where are you located? 
<HelloKit> so guys, i need some topic ideas... 
<Gilbert> Ok, I gotta go see you friends 
<Mimi__> Bye Gil :o) 
<Mooooooo> bye Gilbert! 
<dtb> bye 
<Lao-tzu> bye Gilberto 
<Gilbert> Night 
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<Mooooooo> simon, did you have a topic idea? 
<Mooooooo> you mentioned one the other day 
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<Mooooooo> lotaca!!!! 
<Lao-tzu> hi racer 
<phoenyxx> mimi: I know I worry about things...like the 
    farfetched prospect that there are ParaCathy's 
    everywhere...arousing suspicion...how to avoid them...before 
    thinking about it and realizing that there is nothing to 
    it, nothing to worr about...someone meeting me is not a 
    Paracathy... 
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<lotaca> Sorry I'm late, I ate first 
<dtb> hello 
<Mooooooo> no prob :o) 
<phoenyxx> mooooo: well....how about disability in the 
    media....for example, the Kalidescop Channel on cable... 
<Lao-tzu> ooohh, all I have is rabbit ears 
<dtb> how about disability in the movies? 
<lotaca> What's fun ? folks, hey, hey all 
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<Lao-tzu> wb DrBill 
<phoenyxx> ...another topic I thought of before I was told 
    that I might be paranoid was the whole ParaCathy 
    thing....but too weird to figure.... 
<Mooooooo> just friendly chat tonight lotaca :o) 
<Lao-tzu> where are you located 
<DrBill> Our POP in Yakima just dumped me. 
<lotaca> How about Streets of Philidelphia ? 
<HelloKit> what do you guys think of a topic on 
    discrimination among the disabled? 
<AmyWonder> how about the mask 
<Lao-tzu> they've got some great sandwiches there, Philly 
<lotaca> Hi, Lao 
<dtb> very interesting 
<Mooooooo> yes, very good one 
<phoenyxx> ...Kalidescope is a cable network with nothing 
    but disability programming....the problem with the programming 
    is that it's not any everyday info..at least at haven't 
    seen any. 
<Mimi__> cool, Carly 
<Mooooooo> i never heard of it simon 
<phoenyxx> HelloKit: yes! excelenet topic...relavent! :-) 
<lotaca> Sesame Street sometimes tries, so does Barney 
<dtb> neither have i, simon 
<DrBill> I just had a man come up to me in the store 
    and say 'People like you shouln't be seen in public'. 
<Lao-tzu> doesn't CBC have a segment as well? 
<HelloKit> god!!! 
<Mooooooo> sheesh! 
<Lao-tzu> DrBill did you ask him if he had a vision 
    problem? 
<AmyWonder> jerk! 
<lotaca> I watch very little TV, very few movies, but have 
    noticed the 'token' wheel chair in commercials 
<HelloKit> i heard someone say it should be legal to park 
    in the disabled spaces after 10 pm, cuz disabled people 
    shouldn't be out that late 
<phoenyxx> Moooooo: well, I don't know what cities have 
    it....but it's here in San Antonio...most of the programming 
    seems to be focused on infomercials or PSA-type programs 
    with captioning....but nothing with substance to 
    it...'everyday info', so to speak. 
<DrBill> I tolk him my name is Dr. William Stilwater who 
    are you. He just turned and walked away. 
<lotaca> and they let that guy run free ? what a world 
<phoenyxx> DrBill: I've gotten that reaction a couple of 
    times....more of a dirty look from people. 
<Mimi__> WHAT!!!!!!!!! You're kidding me Dr. Bill..... 
<Mimi__> I don't get it. I really don't. 
<phoenyxx> HelloKit: I've heard people talking like that.... 
<DrBill> I spoke at a discrimination seminar and a man of 
    color got up and said it's been year for use to get on 
    front of bus. Told him some of us still cann't get on 
    the bus. 
<Mimi__> Lotaca, that 
<Mimi__> oops..that's it, there's always a 'token' 
    somebody... 
<lotaca> (mooo) did you know that Breezy at SCI/information 
    station was under the weather ? 
<Mooooooo> im semi-guilty of that too. there was the slob 
    lady parked in the handicapped spot (no plates) at the 
    post office and I told her that I dont think her fat ass 
    qualifies as a disability. 
<Lao-tzu> I may have mentioned this before but it is an 
    old stygma. Pres. Rooseveldt (sp?) wasn't seen in his w/c 
    because they considered it to be in bad taste> 
<HelloKit> lol 
<Mooooooo> i didnt know that lotaca 
<phoenyxx> Lao-tzu: I get ripped for being in my chair on 
    local cable access TV (I'm on 3 shows, on I make myself). 
<lotaca> Bad sores, hard to get up at any length of time, 
    I've been sending cyber flowers 
<Mooooooo> awwww 
<Mooooooo> that sucks 
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<DrBill> Dequbes 
<gone> I'm back 
<Mooooooo> for 90 seconds unless you change your nick 
<lotaca> Thought you might like to know, sorry for changing 
    the subject, I'm not normally this rude 
<DrBill> Don't worry. I think we all need to vent once 
    and a while. 
<gone> carly is it the neterm 28 or is it the neterm 22? 
<phoenyxx> ....a few people have have told that they were 
    'inspired' by seeing me on TV in my chair...the same 
    people (both disabled and non) later on have totally 
    bitched me out because the show isn't an all-disability 
    show...and some idiot late figure my chair was some sort 
    of prop because they couldn't believe that in some shots I 
    had transferred to the couch. 
<HelloKit> i dont know, shawn 
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<phoenyxx> ...I transfer to the passenger seat of cars all 
    the time...a couch is easy! 
<Mooooooo> simon, you know my feeling on the matter :o) 
<Mooooooo> ..... pearly white ..... 
<Mimi__> Screw 'em Simon. 
<lotaca> It's the shower that's hard for me, where do 
    these people come from? 
<DrBill> The thing is they should realize we are people 
    too! 
<phoenyxx> Moooo: hey, Im saying the same thing...they're 
    idiots...pisses me off that someone wants the disability 
    seen when it's fun and games...but even the 'support' 
    people get nervous when they here people's real stories... 
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<Mooooooo> most of it is just ignorance 
<Mimi__> Hello Natalie :o) 
<Mooooooo> hi Natalie! 
<DrBill> Our wheel chair is to our legs and glasses are 
    to another person. 
<dtb> hi 
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<Lao-tzu> hi nataliedu 
<phoenyxx> DrBill: YES! Why is disability cool on television 
    but not when one of us is out in public? 
<NatalieDu> Hello! 
<DrBill> Ignorance. 
<lotaca> Should invite them here, let 'em see the real us 
    :-) 
<Mooooooo> once they get a little educated how to deal 
    with the unknown, they tend to be ok 
<Lao-tzu> I find the kids don't have a problem at all 
    with my w/c 
<Mimi__> Why are some people so ignorant and others not? I 
    just don't understand them. 
<phoenyxx> ...most people are ok about it, but it's 1997 
    and I am amazed at the bigoted crap that people get away 
    with. 
<phoenyxx> Lao-tzu: I've seen that myself...kids are nice 
    about it. :-) 
<lotaca> No kids are cool, we are at their level, pose no 
    threat 
<DrBill> WE have minds. Our bodies my not work quit right. 
<phoenyxx> ...indoctrinate them early....to rat on their 
    parents for saying anti-disability things :-) 
<DrBill> Kids are not afraid to ask questions either. 
<Mooooooo> i have little kids ask me why i walk funny or 
    if i am retarded so something and I just explain it to 
    them 
<dtb> Mimi:people are different just as our disabilities are 
    different 
<Mooooooo> hehhe 
<phoenyxx> DrBill: DEAD ON THE MARK! On my TV show, most 
    people watching think it's great that the chair is there 
    but they see ME, telling bad jokes and running music 
    videos :-) 
<lotaca> People are always afraid of something, I think we 
    may be their last frontier, that scares them, they'll have 
    to find something else to be afraid of, 
<Mimi__> Yeah, I know, dtb. I just have never seen it and 
    find it hard to believe, that's all. 
<dtb> locata: there is always Death 
<DrBill> I have had people tell me that they thaught all 
    people in wheelchairs where retarded. 
<lotaca> They can't see that, only us 
<Mimi__> ! 
<phoenyxx> lotaca: I've thought that myself. People won't 
    tell jokes about race or someone's sexual orientation, but 
    Seinfeld does disability jokes and he's a hero. (NOT!) 
<Mooooooo> yep, ive had a few kids ask 
<Lao-tzu> Talking about our differences, I've been pampering 
    a pressure sore for about 5 weeks and don't want it open 
    again. So my fellow friends I'll be taking my leave. 
<Mooooooo> they jsut dont know 
<Mooooooo> awww, see ya Lao! 
<lotaca> Bye bye, be good to yourself 
<Mimi__> Bye Han. :o) Have a nice night. *g* 
<dtb> bye! 
<Mooooooo> you can get the rest of the meeting from the 
    web page 
<Lao-tzu> DrBill: write me a jazcorp@ican.net re: those % 
    1/4 MOs you have. maybe we can swing something 
<HelloKit> the schools assumed i was retarded and threw a 
    fit when my parents registered me and told them they 
    wanted me in a regular class 
<lotaca> Reminds me a bit of last weeks discussion 
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<Mooooooo> they assumed my friend darlene was retarted too 
<phoenyxx> HelloKit: about discrimination among the 
    disabled...what Pricot missed in what I was saying was that 
    I (perhaps naively) figured that the disabled community 
    would be supportive to a newcomer. 
<Mooooooo> she didnt talk until way past 5 
<Mooooooo> so they took her to a doctor.... 
<phoenyxx> ...that is what pissed me off...not his flaming, 
    but his self-righteous attack on someone trying to be 
    postive about it. 
<Mooooooo> he took her alone and asked 'why dont you talk' 
    and she replied 'i have nothing to say'. he told her to 
    get this brat outta my office 
<HelloKit> lol 
<Mooooooo> told her parents that 
<Mooooooo> those were her first words ever to an adult 
<phoenyxx> Moooooo: speaking of that, has anyone noticed in 
    some instances people use disability and retarded almost 
    interchangeably...I've seen disability support (like the 
    support group I talked about) say general disability but 
    most of the people were retared, except for the 4 guys in 
    chairs trying to run everyone out. 
<phoenyxx> Moooooo: so she had no speech problems? 
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<younnguy> I think most people are afraid of us until they 
    get to know us 
<phoenyxx> hello geri :-) 
<Mooooooo> nope, no problems at all. she's 55 now and when 
    she calls me is yackety yackety yackety yackety yak yak 
    yak :o) 
<Geri> Hello there...I've never been here before.... 
<Mooooooo> hi Geri :o) 
<younnguy> Hi geri 
<dtb> hi Geri 
<DrBill> There is a lady in Chicago that is non-oral CP. 
    She was 16 when given a computer with morse code. She now 
    has masters in communications and works for Chicago Tribune. 
    Brilliant writer. They thought she was unteachable. 
<Mimi__> Welcome Geri :o) 
<phoenyxx> younnguy: yes...some people mean well but don't 
    understand. 
<younnguy> male or female geri? 
<phoenyxx> Mooooo: nothing wrong with talking so much.... 
    :-) 
<Mooooooo> Thats why i get so ticked off at people passing 
    out those yellow smiley face cards with 'im deaf, gimme a 
    handout' 
<Geri> Female... :) How's everyone doing tonight?? 
<DrBill> When stuck inhouse all day you get chatty: 
<phoenyxx> moooo: if they're really deaf.... is that wrong? 
<Mimi__> So true, Mooo! That drives me nuts. Look at 
    Heather White__whatever. 
<younnguy> but then I even have to admit I was afraid of 
    dissabled kids too until I was arround them at doit 
<Mooooooo> yes simon. deaf is no excuse for laziness 
<Mimi__> Simon, the point is that they can lead productive 
    lives like anyone else 
<phoenyxx> Mooooo: ah...not the condition....laziness :-) 
<HelloKit> yes shawn, i really changed at do-it 
<Mimi__> Youngguy - I grew up around disabled kids. Maybe 
    that helped me a little. 
<HelloKit> btw shawn... drbill is a mentor! :) 
<DrBill> Do-It changes alot of lives. 
<younnguy> yeah 
<phoenyxx> mimi: oh yes, I agree....I've seen deaf people 
    both sign and speak very well....and two factions upset 
    about one or the other...just can't win! 
<Mimi__> What's Do0it? 
<younnguy> drbill are you from doit too? 
<Mooooooo> im gonna make up little yellow smiley face cards 
    that say 'im crabby, gimme a kiss' 
<HelloKit> do-it is a science and math program for students 
    with disabilities, run by the university of washington. 
<AmyWonder> ..lol 
<DrBill> I mentor and help students get jobs writing html 
    for buisnesses. 
<younnguy> oh 
<phoenyxx> Moooooo: I was going to put a distorted smiley 
    face, or a smiley with 3 triangles pointing towards it 
    that says 'nuclear is cool!' 
<phoenyxx> :-) 
<Mooooooo> hah! 
<HelloKit> im gonna have to take off pretty soon guys... 
    the laptop is getting hot and is burning my leg... 
<phoenyxx> I know, I'm not very politically correct.... 
<Mooooooo> get a towel :o) 
<phoenyxx> HelloKit: it's that rtg power pack! 
<HelloKit> everyone fill simon in on my announcements for 
    me, okay? 
<Mimi__> awww.... 
<Mooooooo> okay :o) 
<younnguy> ok carly bye 
<DrBill> What's politically correct.... We are GIMP's aren't 
    we? 
<Mimi__> We will, Carly. 
<Mimi__> :o) 
<Mimi__> I'm not. 
<HelloKit> bye everyone... 
<NatalieDu> How do partially disabled people find ways to 
    get back into academic classes? Partially deaf, or 
    ambulatory with back weakness, or combined. 
* HelloKit waves. 
<Mimi__> Bye Carly! :o) 
<dtb> bye Carly 
<phoenyxx> bye hellokit! 
<Mooooooo> we need an acronym for GIMP 
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<younnguy> mooooooo do I have to change my info on the 
    dissabled list because I changed servers? 
<Mooooooo> yes 
<DrBill> got a call and need to disapear for a few. be 
    back! 
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<Mooooooo> you need to change your mirc ident 
<Mooooooo> i cant add that to the list 
<younnguy> how do I? 
<NatalieDu> Do colleges really try to help handicapped 
    people who want to return? 
<Mooooooo> go into mirc setup and change your email address 
    and identd entries 
<Mooooooo> hmmm, I dunno Natalie 
<Mooooooo> i didnt go to college 
<younnguy> okay 
<AmyWonder> USC did for me 
<Mooooooo> but when DrBill comes back, he would be 
    excellent to ask 
<Geri> Some colleges have programs where you can take 
    classes at home, Natalie...that's what I'm thinking of 
    doing. 
<NatalieDu> OK 
<phoenyxx> NatalieDu: it depends on where you go...my local 
    community college had an official disabled student services 
    but spends most its energy pushing 'social' agendas more 
    that academic ones, if that makes sense. 
<NatalieDu> I may do that, but I'd love to get out and 
    'be' there, too. 
<Geri> Yeah...I understand that...I couldn't do that at this 
    point tho. 
<Mooooooo> i plan to go back to college after i move 
<phoenyxx> ....my problem was that most of the DSS services 
    are focused on vocational programs, and I got excluded 
    because I was a radio/tv/film major. 
<dtb> film major? 
<dtb> so was I 
<phoenyxx> dtb: actually for me it's more video right now 
    :-) 
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<dtb> any plans? 
<phoenyxx> community college, nothing fancy. 
<Mooooooo> howdy jlubin! 
<dtb> hi jlubin 
<jlubin> finally got on 
<phoenyxx> my friends and I have a script we want to 
    produce someday...right now it's weird stuff on public 
    access :-) 
<dtb> interesting 
<younnguy> mooooo what do I put in when it asks me my 
    user id in the ident box? 
<dtb> I'm hoping to write a script about the disabled 
    myself 
<phoenyxx> ...the other big problem I ran into at the 
    college DSS was a 'my condition is worse than yours' 
    attitude from some of the students. 
<AmyWonder> I was in theater, but that didn't excludde me 
    from dss 
<Mooooooo> put in the first part of your email address 
<phoenyxx> dtb: me too....about a President in a wheelchair 
    who declares martial law and really kicks a** about 
    ADA....:-) 
<dtb> direct and produce it in a few years 
<phoenyxx> AmyWonder: that's great! what happended to 
    me...was probably isolated. 
<dtb> interesting story line 
<NatalieDu> He didn't declare martial law--just war on the 
    Nazis! :) 
<younnguy> ok I put windows as my system is that right? 
<Mooooooo> No 
<Geri> Well...it was nice to meet you all...night! 
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<Mooooooo> put UNIX 
<younnguy> ok 
<Mooooooo> port is 113 
<phoenyxx> dtb: or I'll just do it for real...you must be 
    at least 35 to run for the office, and I'll be 38 when 
    the November 2008 elections take place.... :-) 
<phoenyxx> nataliedu: good point! 
<Mimi__> Night Geri :o) 
<phoenyxx> :-) 
<younnguy> YEP PORT ON 113 
<dtb> I want mine to be about the real every day problems 
    we face and how we overcome 
<NatalieDu> I'll go now, too. Nice to meet you! 
<younnguy> WHAT ABOUT THE FIREWALL 
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<Mimi__> Bye Natalie! come back soon :o) 
<phoenyxx> ....some parking lot at a mall, February 2009: 
    oh come on guys, I was just parking here for a 
    minute...hey that's a nasty looking gun...oh S***...BANG! 
<phoenyxx> ...geez I have no taste...:-) 
<Mooooooo> simon is viscious! 
<dtb> I also want to help undo the damage of last years 
    Hunchback movie 
<dtb> make it a romance probably 
<Mooooooo> i didnt see that movie 
<younnguy> do I put anything in the firewall 
<jlubin> so am I the only new one here? 
<Mooooooo> no firewall 
<dtb> real disabled actors 
<Mooooooo> all the newer people have already left 
<phoenyxx> Mooooo: not really, just my sense of humor is 
    totally unaffected by my physical limitations...and I think 
    that's what pisses some people off...a guy on Tv (my 
    access show) in chair and doing outrageous skits. 
<jlubin> what damage did Hunchback do? 
<Mimi__> that's GREAT dtb...I'd watch for sure :o) 
* Mimi__ hated Hunchback 
<Mooooooo> but you were here before :o) 
<younnguy> ok than I have to go then 
<younnguy> thanks mooooooo 
<Mooooooo> see ya shawn! 
<phoenyxx> dtb: I like that idea. 
<AmyWonder> I want to act 
<younnguy> bye everyone 
<dtb> good 
<dtb> I'm pleased you all are so supportive 
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<Mimi__> Simon...I would love to see some of this. Any way 
    you could send me a tape? 
<dtb> that's why I got involved with this chat room 
<dtb> I want the this to be something the disabled 
    community will get behind me with and support me 
<Mooooooo> yep, this is a great channel :o) 
* Mimi__ wonders if any of these script-writing people will 
    remember people with epilepsy....... 
<phoenyxx> Mimi: sure...I can make copies of some of the 
    newer stuff, like spoofs of Apollo 13 for example. 
<dtb> sure 
<phoenyxx> dtb: this is the place for that. 
<Mimi__> I would love it :o) 
<dtb> so now that you know, any ideas would be greatly 
    appreciated 
<Mooooooo> I saw a movie and one of the characters had 
    epilepsy 
<Mimi__> At least you have the token wheelchair now in the 
    media, I've never seen a token epileptic 
<Mimi__> what was that Moo? 
<Mooooooo> Neil Simon's 'The effects of gamma rays on 
    man-on-the-moon marigolds' 
<Mimi__> I just submitted my idea, dtb :o) 
<Mooooooo> it was a cool movie 
<Mimi__> Ooops missed that one. 
<dtb> e-mail me with your ideas, suggestions etc. 
<Mooooooo> i think Marsha Mason was in it 
<Mimi__> So was the epiliptic a psychopatth 
<dtb> turk@leonardo.net 
<Mooooooo> No, the title had nothing to do with the movie 
<phoenyxx> Mimi: of course! one angle I always wanted to 
    take with any disability was to shoot down the stereotype 
    of someone with a disability either playing the totally 
    unphased superhero or the other extreme, someone who hates 
    everyone and hates the world. 
<phoenyxx> Mimi: that sucks! 
<Mooooooo> except it was the girl's science project 
<phoenyxx> the psycho with epilepsy I mean. 
<Mimi__> that's the general perception...that and posession 
    by the devil *g* 
<Mooooooo> she was a nice teenage girl 
<Mimi__> oh, good. 
<phoenyxx> .. what I was thinking, if there's a disabled 
    character in the story, why not show them in a realistic 
    and still important tole. 
<Mimi__> that's great, Simon..:o) 
<Mimi__> that's so true. They hardly ever do that. 
<dtb> my friend is trying to put disabled in his stories 
<dtb> just like that Simon 
<phoenyxx> For example, a film about a future flight to 
    Mars: instead of a person in a wheelchair fighting to get 
    on the flight, how about the person in the chair be one 
    of the spacecraft designers or the head of Mission Control 
    during the flight? 
<phoenyxx> that is still very visible and very important. 
<Mimi__> ...and it's no big deal. good. 
<dtb> good point 
<phoenyxx> ...like in my experience...I do wish I could go 
    on location for some of the videos we've shot, but 
    everyone still likes my editing job even though I couldn't 
    get to the location they show the footage at. 
<phoenyxx> ....I'd rather see a completed funny video rather 
    than not doing it because the location was not accessable., 
<phoenyxx> . 
<AmyWonder> dtb: youu have to reach deep down and put all 
    your ffear pain an;d humor on the page 
<Mimi__> :o) 
<phoenyxx> mimi: thanks....and from what you've told me...the 
    person in the chair could be dating someone as a subplot 
    :-) 
<dtb> I want to address our particular issues first though 
    because society still has some problems it needs to get 
    over- like we can only be loved by dogs and small 
    children and can't have mature relationships 
<phoenyxx> and people would accept that. :-) 
<Mimi__> absolutely Simon...*g* 
<phoenyxx> dtb: of course....pardon my jumping the gun :-) 
<dtb> np 
<dtb> I figure I may only have one chance to make a 
    movie, I want to make it count 
<phoenyxx> mimi: :-) the big thing I was wanting to show, 
    was a disabled person just going through a day, realistic 
    showing the difficulties, but showing that that person still 
    can enjoy their life. 
<phoenyxx> or perhaps I am being too philosophical here. 
<Mimi__> I can't wait to see it, dtb *g* 
<phoenyxx> dtb: you've hit the problems on the head. 
<dtb> God willing if I succeed, than I go on to ideas 
    like you're talking about 
<Mooooooo> how about a disabled version of MTV's 'Real 
    LIfe' 
<Mimi__> Have either of you ever read 'Whip Hand' by Dick 
    Francis? 
<Mooooooo> nope 
<phoenyxx> Mooooo: if I wanted to see things that suck I'd 
    look at a singularity instead of MTV :-) but yeah, now 
    that would be cool. 
<Mimi__> Simon and dtb I mean...our writers 
<dtb> no 
<phoenyxx> Mimi: tell us... 
<phoenyxx> no I haven't read it. 
<Mimi__> Anyone, for that matter. 
<Mimi__> You should read it...it does just what you're 
    talking about. 
<Mimi__> It's FANTASTIC - one of the very best books I 
    have read. 
<phoenyxx> great! 
<dtb> What's it about? 
<Mooooooo> wasnt there a gimp superhero on FOX last year? 
<Mimi__> It's about a private detective with one arm. He 
    does his detective work, but he just happens to be an 
    amputee. 
<Mooooooo> he shot darts or something 
<Mimi__> and he has his romance too. 
<phoenyxx> Mooooo: yes, but the people at FOX are going to 
    burn in Hell for canceling that and Space Above and 
    Beyond. 
<Mimi__> I don't get FOX :o( 
<phoenyxx> Mooooo: great show (mantis). 
<Mooooooo> thats it 
<jlubin> mantis is on scifi 
<phoenyxx> we just got scifi here! :-) 
<dtb> I'll get the book Mimi. Thanks. 
<Mooooooo> though i must admit, i didnt watch it. 
<phoenyxx> and one book I want to work on is 'You're not 
    paranoid: these stories in this book are real!' 
<phoenyxx> :-) (JOKE!) 
<Mooooooo> ii want to see FOX make a HandiMan series 
* Mimi__ doesn't want to encourage Simon on that one *g* 
<Mooooooo> that skit was so funny 
<jlubin> next season FOX has a new show The Visitor 
<Mooooooo> what's it about? 
<phoenyxx> Moooo: are you sure it was funny? :-) 
<jlubin> replacing Sliders 
<Mooooooo> very 
<dtb> Well I have to go. Please e-mail me with any ideas. 
    Talk to you next week! 
<Mimi__> Bye dtb! :o) 
<phoenyxx> Sliders...yet another reason FOX execs. are damned 
    to hell :-) 
<jlubin> about an abductee who gets returned to Earth 
<phoenyxx> canceling it I mean. 
<phoenyxx> cool..UFO stories! 
<jlubin> and has special abilities 
<phoenyxx> those are the conspiracy stories worth believing 
    in! :-) 
<dtb> bye! 
<phoenyxx> dtb : bye! 
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