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Participants:
  disabled
  ChanServ (nanook@eskimo.com)
  Lily
  Mooooooo (azdse@uswest.net)
  Lonewolf
  Kark
  KimNchair
  beat|
  atrpilot
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<Lonewolf> Hi welcome to the meting 
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<Lonewolf> Please remember our meeting rules 
<Lonewolf> no excess chat 
<Lonewolf> topic only 
<Lonewolf> type ! for a statement 
<turbokev> i havent been here a while 
<Lonewolf> and ? for a question 
<Lonewolf> and wait until you are called upon before 
    speaking 
<Lonewolf> any questions before we start 
<Lonewolf> Back earlier in the year we discussed goals 
<Lonewolf> short term and long term 
<Lonewolf> we decided then to revisit our goals periodically 
<Lonewolf> So tonight is revisit goal night or make new 
    goals night 
<Lonewolf> remember our goals must be reasonable and 
    attainable 
<Lonewolf> and we must have a plan 
<Lonewolf> anyone recall their goals? 
<Lonewolf> ali 
<Lily> no, i shoudve made a list:) 
<Lonewolf> lol 
<Lonewolf> Karen 
<Kark> My goal was to become organized, my life is a 
    struggle with the mess my life is 
<Lonewolf> ok how have you done 
<Kark> I started at home and cleaned out everything to 
    find a better ways of storing to make thing easier to 
    access 
<Lonewolf> that's good anything else 
<Lily> great 
<Lonewolf> turk? 
<Kark> I tire easy and have received some help but still 
    not done 
<Lonewolf> that's ok 
<Lonewolf> turbokev 
<Lonewolf> go ahead turbokev 
<Lonewolf> charlie? 
<Lonewolf> beat? 
<Lonewolf> Kim 
<Lonewolf> ok well I failed every single goal 
<Lonewolf> lily 
<Lily> is this a rollcall? 
<beat|> sorry as i am new i am not sure 
<Lonewolf> lol 
<Lily> sorry, joke 
<Lonewolf> beat do you have any goals? 
<Lonewolf> Mine were to eat a better diet 
<Lonewolf> do some exercise daily esp rom 
<Kark> hows that coming 
<Lonewolf> lose weight and pray daily 
<Lonewolf> terrible Karen 
<beat|> I have a aim to travel around au in a small van 
<Lonewolf> that's a goal beat-do you havre an idea on how 
    to make it happen 
<Lonewolf> I have a new goal 
<Lonewolf> turbokev 
<beat|> Yes well I been busy settin up my van and car 
<Lonewolf> ok-when are you going? 
<turbokev> My goal is to eventually get a Bachelor degree 
    in Business 
<Lonewolf> that's a good one 
<Lonewolf> how far along are you 
<Lonewolf> Karen 
<Lonewolf> wait up a sec kark 
<turbokev> i've gotten half way 
<Lonewolf> that's great 
<Lonewolf> now Karen 
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<Kark> LW you said you had a new goal, what is that? 
<Lonewolf> Ms we arediscussing our goals 
<MsAmazin> ok 
<Lonewolf> well after my scare last week I realized my 
    goals were all wrong 
<Lonewolf> I needed to start spending less computer time 
<Lonewolf> and more people time 
<beat|> Well my mother hasn't be al that well, and thgat 
    been a bit of a hold up, i was hoping to get away at 
    the end of this month. 
<Kark> scares do change things 
<Lonewolf> yes 
<Lonewolf> sorry to hear beat 
<Lonewolf> which brings up another point 
<Lonewolf> what IF life interferes with our goals 
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<judi> ok 
<Lily> med. probs do interfere, but i think it delays my 
    goals, rather than changing them 
<judi> try again 
<Lily> med. probs do interfere, but i think it delays my 
    goals, rather than changing them 
<Lily> lol 
<judi> good point lily 
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<judi> but don't you have to redefine your ways to 
    accomplish the goal 
<judi> are we having a net split? 
<Lily> yes, definitly, is a bumpo in the road 
<judi> yes 
<Lily> no, bad connections 
<judi> ok 
<judi> Karen oddly enough I actually remembered your goals 
<judi> sounds like you are the only one that made progress 
<judi> go ahead Karen 
<KimNchair> nite 
<Kark> I have been getting depressed when my goals aren't 
    going as pland 
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<judi> well that's not good either 
<judi> but I do that too 
<judi> maybe your goals were too hard? 
<beat|> i feel we must be a little bit fexbile with them, 
    and also being disable our health problems and we must 
    aloud for them 
<judi> true beat 
<judi> lily 
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<Lily> i agree beat, we mustnt get discouraged 
<judi> do any of you set ridiculously high goals for 
    yourselves? 
<judi> lily 
<Lily> i think they are attainable, within reach 
<beat|> s 
<judi> kark 
<Kark> mine seem so simple yet too high to accomplish for 
    me, thing are becoming a challange but I really dont tell 
    anyone the struggle I feel about it 
<judi> Karen is this getting harmful to you? 
<Kark> Here I tell all, get it off my chest 
<MsAmazin> my goal is to keep breathing...one breath at a 
    time... 
<judi> I'm glad Karen 
<judi> that's good too ms 
<judi> beat? 
<Kark> I think I can handle that one MsA 
<beat|> omtimes i feel that its good to set goals a 
    littile higher than we can artain thats keeps us going 
<judi> lil 
<Lily> thats true, beat, maybe we need a mix of both 
    kinds, to feel like weve achieved something........ 
<Lily> yet 
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<Lily> still strive 
<judi> both good points 
<judi> Karen I am agfraid you have set your goals way too 
    high 
<judi> beat 
<Kark> I think I keep focusing on how far I am from the 
    end instead of keeping it in a day 
<Kark> sorry, out of turn 
<judi> ok so you need to change your way of looking at 
    them 
<judi> go on beat 
<judi> lil 
<beat|> yes its too easy to lose site of the smal goals 
    we make , but if we have a higher goal then ou smaller 
    goals are a lead up 
<Lily> idea : at end of each day, review what youve 
    accomplished kark, wud that help? 
<Kark> I think that sounds good 
<judi> beat actually you just explained the original point 
<judi> and for some of us the daily review is helpful 
<judi> small goals leading to bigger goals 
<judi> lil 
<Lily> its like taking baby steps, so the big picture not 
    so frightening 
<judi> exactly 
<judi> beat 
<judi> charlie 
<atrpilot> does stauing off puter help ,,judi 
<judi> yes that's my biggest problem 
<judi> hard to reach goals when you are glued to screen 
<judi> beat-you ready? 
<atrpilot> yes 
<beat|> If we don't aloud our self the smaller goals i 
    feel we may become lost , on our way 
<judi> ok could you explain 
<judi> kark 
<Kark> I find that I get less done when I spend so much 
    time on the PC and then I have an excuss for not getting 
    it done 
<judi> true 
<judi> lily 
<Lily> i find that scheduling puter times helps, i stay 
    off it a lot now thoughout day 
<judi> ok I'd like to share a secret goal with you guys 
    and what happened 
<judi> you first Karen 
<Kark> I feel better when I not on for what I accomplish 
    but then again when I need the support of the group I 
    haven't build the bonds and feel like an outsider 
<judi> yes I feel that way a lot 
<Kark> wow I am feeling sorry for myself tonight huh 
<judi> I had a goal to become good with paint shop pro 
<judi> So I joined the users group 
<judi> then I volunteered to help with the webring 
<judi> then the ringmaster quit 
<judi> so now I am ringmaster 
<beat|> Well if we have a over all veiw for our lives, 
    then we need to work out the steps we need to take to 
    obtain our goal, then these become smaller goal 
<judi> its a big mess because everryone has quit 
<judi> IC beat 
<judi> so I had to put in long hard hours 
<judi> became compulsive 
<judi> last week I hsad a mini srtroke 
<judi> partly from the pressure I ws feeling 
<judi> Now I am having to re evaluate 
<judi> beat 
<judi> this is an example of a harmful goal 
<Kark> well you have support here 
<judi> unrealistic expectations 
<judi> thanks kark 
<judi> lily 
<Lily> u were overloaded by pressure that was not of your 
    making 
<atrpilot> sorry judi but people take advantage!!!! 
<Lily> yor original goal was ok 
<judi> true but I allowed it to happen-expecting more and 
    more of myself everyday 
<judi> you are right charlie 
<judi> do any of you feel the need to be accepted in a 
    non handicapped situation? 
<judi> lily 
<beat|> Somtimes where never going to reach our main 
    because there so factors come into play beyound our control 
<Lily> agreed charlie 
<judi> so very true beat 
<judi> I think I was looking for acceptance 
<judi> make sense? 
<judi> lil 
<judi> then beat 
<Lily> are the other psp ppl disabled? 
<judi> haven't found one yet 
<Kark> psp? 
<judi> paint shop pro 
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<Lily> psp=paint shop pro 
<Kark> gotcha 
<judi> anny we are on goals 
<beat|> Do feel you need that accenpt 
<judi> ya know I didn't realize it but I do 
<judi> wonder why? 
<judi> go on beat 
<judi> lil 
<Lily> i think i need that, too, to be recognisedas a 
    person among AB ppl too 
<judi> ahhh we are getting back to acceptance aren't we 
<beat|> Is it that where too busy trying tro be accept 
    instead of doin our own thing? 
<Kark> AB? 
<Lily> AB=able bodied 
<judi> cud be beat 
<judi> lil 
<Kark> sorry I am slow 
<judi> no not at all 
<Lily> but there a little part of me that wants acceptance 
    among AB's too 
<judi> saddly same here 
<judi> karen 
<Kark> iTS AMONG US ALL, i CAN'T SEE ANYONY that belives 
    different 
<Kark> we all want that acceptance 
<judi> the need for acceptance? 
<judi> oh ok 
<judi> well we have covered a lot of ground tonight 
<Kark> yes 
<judi> due to current health status I am closing meeting a 
    bit early 
<beat|> If we do our own thing we might find that 
    acceeptance comes with it 
<judi> thank you all for coming and participating 
<judi> yes beat-is hard though 
<Lily> thx sis 
<Kark> Thank you Judi 
<atrpilot> good meeting judi!!!! 
<Lily> a great meeting 
<beat|> ok judi thank 
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<Kark> yes, And take good care of yourself 
<judi> thanks you all 
<judi> I'm trying karen 
<beat|> God bless 
<Kark> good 
<Lily> goodnight everyone 
<Woz> and thanks for all the hard work judi 
<judi> thanks beat 
<Lily> judi, GO TO BAD:))))))) 
<judi> ur welcome max 
<Lily> lol, BED 
<Woz> hehe 
<judi> bad sounds like more fun-lol 
<beat|> yes great job 
<Lily> lol, sorry 
<Woz> hehe 
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<Lily> night all:) 
<judi> night 
<Kark> night 
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