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Participants:
  HandiBot
  gregsgg
  turbokev
  haa
  Mooooooo (dse@pacific.net)
  phoenyxx (simon@texas.net)
  Mimi
  HelloKit (carlym@u.washington.edu)
  ChanServ
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* HelloKit is tired and cranky, but will try not to let 
    it rub off on you... 
<Mimi> i despair of ever understanding these thing simon... 
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<phoenyxx> Mimi: be happy CBC doesn't have shows like that. 
<Mooooooo> So whats up all? 
<phoenyxx> and I envy you, I bet you've got SNOW up 
    there! :-) 
<gregsgg> hi moooo 
<Mimi> i'm 1 handed at the moment ;o) 
<Mooooooo> Simon, someone was here the other day 
<Mimi> i'm in vegas, simon! 
<Mooooooo> and i wanted him to talk to you 
<Mooooooo> hi greg 
<haa> slowing down after busy holidays 
<phoenyxx> Mimi: forgot about that :-) 
<Mooooooo> he was asking about disabilities in the media 
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<Mimi> hi judi! :o) 
<Mooooooo> hi judi 
<judi> Hello everyone 
<phoenyxx> who was it Daniel? 
<gregsgg> hi judi 
<HelloKit> Hi Judi 
<haa> i am 1 handed all the time, mimi 
<phoenyxx> hello Judi 
<haa> hi judi 
* HelloKit kicks ChanServ in the butt. 
<Mooooooo> i cant recall his name 
<Mimi> chanserv: :oPPPPPPP 
<Mooooooo> but if he asks again, i'll give him your email 
<HelloKit> AOL Mimi? 
<phoenyxx> good idea 
<phoenyxx> AOHell you mean. 
<Mimi> yeah, carly... 
<Mimi> mom didnt pay lvdi's bill 
<HelloKit> heh 
<Mimi> they cut us off :o) 
<judi> Are we having a meeting tonight? 
<Mooooooo> just an open topic tonight Judi :o) 
<HelloKit> An open topic meeting... 
<judi> which means? 
<gregsgg> moooooo what aws in the media ? 
<Mooooooo> which means we can say whats on our mind :o) 
<judi> aha 
<gregsgg> oatmeal 
<Mooooooo> lol 
<gregsgg> there I said it 
<phoenyxx> ask Mimi about my jokes :-) 
<HelloKit> Nothing on my mind... never is. It doesn't work. 
    :oP 
<haa> i am guessing we have sent email, judi, i am helen 
    aull 
* Mimi never, but never, get's Simons' jokes 
<judi> Ues, the puter prayer person!!:) 
<Mooooooo> my computer needs prayer 
<phoenyxx> Mimi, you do get the jokes about using moving 
    trucks to help encourage ADA compliance :-) 
<Mimi> my life needs prayer 
<Mimi> no, Simon :oP 
<judi> My hands need prayer 
<gregsgg> moooooo what aboutt the guy and the media? 
<phoenyxx> Carly- I was going to ask, has anyone from the 
    newsgroup made their way to the mailing list? hoping to 
    avoid the nuclear flaming that I saw over the summer :-) 
<Mooooooo> thats all i know greg, some guy asked 
<phoenyxx> I produce a TV show on local cable here in San 
    Antonio, nothing grandiose but it's alot of fun. 
<phoenyxx> :-) 
<judi> Does anyone have the after Christams yucko's? 
<HelloKit> Nope, not yet Simon. If any of that crap 
    starts, I'll have them yanked and blocked from the mailing 
    list so fast they won't know what hit 'em. 
<phoenyxx> judi- I do- BAD allergy flareup! 
<Mimi> yes, Judi, I sure do :o) 
<judi> Christmas, sorry 
<judi> Anybody got a cure?? 
<Mimi> but beleive it or not I lost not gained weight, so 
    it's not so bad ;o) 
<judi> How lucky Mimi 
<Mooooooo> the cure is .... 
<phoenyxx> good Carly- I can only handle so much discussion 
    about who's parking permits are stolen :-) 
<Mooooooo> i dunno 
<HelloKit> heh 
<judi> Gee thanks Daniel 
<Mooooooo> but im working on theories 
<judi> That's better 
<phoenyxx> I did wake up one morning feeling so bad I 
    thought I saw a raven at the window and I thought I 
    heard 'Don't Fear the Reaper' on the radio :-) 
<judi> What about you Ha 
<Mimi> well, Alex gets a lot of my calories so that helps 
    :o) 
<HelloKit> lol Simon 
<judi> Way to go Mimi 
<phoenyxx> Carly- you saw that movie too? :-) 
<HelloKit> Uh... no, but for some odd reason I got it. 
<gregsgg> some one called me the other day they are 
    putting togathera class axion law suit against pete wilson 
    for bborrowing fuunds for school diabelys and not paying it 
    back 
<haa> i have been into email since the list went live 
<judi> But isn't the list kinda dead right now? 
<HelloKit> It's literally dead right now :o) 
<Mooooooo> the list will be back tomorrow 
<HelloKit> Will be back up tomorrow. 
<Mooooooo> the admin accidently killed it 
<judi> Good, I enjoyed it 
<phoenyxx> brb 
<haa> today dead, judi 
<judi> I always seem to have post holiday arthritis flares 
<Mooooooo> why is that judi? 
<haa> i did write to the lady doing the book on disabled 
    women 
<judi> I think I overdo during the holidays, that's my 
    theory anyway 
<judi> Hey, I did to haa 
<judi> too, sorry 
<Mimi> I enjoyed reading your intro, Judi :o) 
<Mimi> I'm going to do one too, soon 
<judi> Mimi, you didn't send one 
<judi> Oh, ok 
<judi> What about the rest of you guys? 
<gregsgg> bbl 
<Mimi> I think it's a great idea, I hope more people do 
    that :o) 
<HelloKit> Helen and Judy... I'm glad somebody wrote to 
    her... a whole bunch of people wrote back to me instead. 
    :o/ 
<haa> i did one for the book and sent info to a few 
    others 
<Mimi> bye greg :o) 
<judi> Bye greg 
<Mimi> I wrote to a writer wanting to know what a seizure 
    was like 
<HelloKit> heh, what did you tell her? 
<Mimi> then people on the epilepsy list got mad at me and 
    told me it was none of his business and that I should 
    have charged him a consultants fee :o( 
<judi> Oh good grief, some people are never happy 
<Mimi> some people never are 
<HelloKit> Oh good grief... 
<judi> That was good of you to share your experience with 
    others 
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<Mimi> I really went into detail, now I wish I had kept 
    my letter to give to other curious people 
<phoenyxx> back 
<judi> When my son was having seizures, I had people ask 
    me some strange things 
<Mimi> wb Simon 
<Mimi> like what? 
<judi> What does he look like while........How does it feel 
    to see your son like that? etc 
<phoenyxx> pardon my ignorance, but why is info about 
    epilepsy supposed to be so secret? 
<Mimi> lol I don't know simon 
<judi> Since I was working then, a lot of my co-nurses 
    asked if I remained clinically calm, etc 
<phoenyxx> the more people know about different disabilities, 
    the more accepting they'll be, usually. 
<Mooooooo> because of our secret milkshake recipe meetings 
<HelloKit> lol 
<Mimi> a lot of epileptics deal with shame about the 
    disease...holdover from the days when we were 'posessed by 
    the devil' 
<judi> My thoughts exactly Simon 
<Mimi> lol daniel 
<phoenyxx> judi- the 'secrecy' reminds me of the idiocy on 
    misc.handicap- so much flaming because a couple of people 
    have to share the spotlight with all the other disabled 
    people out there. 
<phoenyxx> Mimi: what year was this again? 
<judi> I haven't been there, a newsgroup? 
<Mimi> what year? uummm, Roman times, the middle ages... 
<phoenyxx> judi: yeah, there's a newsgroup but it's 
    effectively run by a couple of self-proclaimed moderators. 
<phoenyxx> who flame legit disabled people as frauds. 
<Mimi> yes, don't bother judi...all they do is complain 
    about parking ;o) 
<HelloKit> Yes, Judi... a newsgroup where each person is 
    the only one allowed to be disabled and reap the 
    'benefits'. 
<judi> I understand Mimi, everyone, esp kids at school, 
    started treating Andy different 
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<judi> Glad I haven't been there 
<phoenyxx> they flamed me- like the space shuttle 
    re-entering the atmosphere! 
<Mimi> yeah, people get weird for a while when I tell 
    them 
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<Mimi> !!!!!!! 
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<judi> Andy had a cyst in the R) temporal lobe and hasn't 
    had a seizure since it was removed 
<HelloKit> Well, well, well! ChanServ decides to let go of 
    Mimi's crown! 
<Mimi> *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Mimi 
<Mooooooo> Amber!!!!!!!! 
<Mimi> ! 
<Mimi> Amber :o) 
<phoenyxx> some of the people in the ng literally think 
    that alot of the people in wheelchairs they see are 
    somehow carrying out some massive hoax, assuming everyone is 
    guilty. 
<judi> hi Amber 
<phoenyxx> hey amber. 
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<HelloKit> Hi Amber, Ray 
<judi> Hi Ray 
<Amber--> topic? 
<Mooooooo> hi ray 
<HelloKit> open, Amber 
<Ray1> Hi,all. 
<Mimi> hi Ray 
<haa> hi 
<Amber--> hello, weve gotta get togethr? 
<Mimi> how are ya? :o) 
<Ray1> Mimi, how's the baby? 
<Amber--> i love midi karaoke too 
<Mooooooo> yep, but open topic 
<Mimi> he's just fine, thanks, Ray :o) 
<HelloKit> :o) 
<judi> Oh, I just love being in a chair, it opens you up 
    to close scrutiny from everyone and you get to run into 
    everything and everyone around. Sure is my idea of a great 
    hoax. 
<HelloKit> lol 
<Amber--> hey, simle 
<Amber--> smile 
<phoenyxx> judi: I know, but it's amazing how some of the 
    meanest people I've ever met have been other disabled 
    people- a small faction that hates the rest of us! 
<judi> why? 
<Amber--> gotta question 
<Mimi> shoot 
<phoenyxx> I don't know- I've seen it so bad that I got 
    accused because I did wheelies on TV> 
<phoenyxx> TV. 
<phoenyxx> go with the quesiton amber 
<judi> weird, Simon 
<Mooooooo> okie :o) 
<Amber--> any advice for a sociology project on disability? 
<phoenyxx> amber: the future of disability, like the next 
    disabled president :-) 
<Amber--> you? 
<Amber--> :) 
<phoenyxx> well..... :-) 
<judi> Amber, isn't this 2 nights in a row you've made me 
    use my brain, or was it someone else last night?!! 
<HelloKit> Hmm... I did a project on disabilities for my 
    psychology class. I covered things like disability humor, 
    etc. 
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<phoenyxx> Carly: ah the humor, one thing some able-bodied 
    people get REALLY nervous about :-) 
<HelloKit> hehe 
<judi> Societies reaction to the disabled? 
<Dancer> callahoun 
<phoenyxx> the cartoonist, right? 
<judi> How about reactions to non-visible handicaps? 
<Dancer> yes 
<Dancer> xx 
<judi> Like epilepsy? 
<HelloKit> I used a couple Callahan cartoons in my 
    presentation. 
<haa> that is hard, judi 
<judi> Or arthritis before it causes physical changes 
<judi> Even MS 
<phoenyxx> excellent topic idea judi- I was at a support 
    group meeting where 4 guys sat around commending themselves 
    on having run everyone out of the group who wasn't in a 
    wheelchair. 
<Ray1> brb 
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<phoenyxx> pi**ed me off even though I'm in a chair, first 
    and last meeting I went to. 
<Dancer> im looking 4 something that'll help me and others 
<judi> People with fibromyalgia 
<phoenyxx> because to me, a disability, visible or not, is 
    real no matter what it is. 
<judi> What is your disability Dancer? 
<HelloKit> Simon, you just brought something to mind... 
* HelloKit goes into gripe mode. 
<judi> Arthritis Today (magazine) has a lot about 
    non-visible handicaps 
<Mimi> uh oh ;o) 
<Dancer> cp quad spastic 
<phoenyxx> oh no! sorry about that carly! 
<phoenyxx> sorry to hear that Dancer- pardon my bad jokes. 
<HelloKit> I am getting so sick of all the 'retired 
    citizens' giving me dirty looks for taking the last 
    disabled parking spot, as if I'm the one who doesn't 
    deserve the sticker... 
* phoenyxx has the katana ready.... 
<judi> I'm thinking, Dancer 
<phoenyxx> oh carly you hit it right on the head- same 
    thing happens to me! 
* Dancer hugs everone. 
<haa> i am close to a quad but i can not dance, dancer 
* Mimi hugs Amber :o) 
<judi> Used to happen to me, nit anymore, arthritis has 
    aged me fast 
<phoenyxx> I saw a pickup truck in a handicapped spot with 
    a handicapped plate, except that the driver was unloading 
    heavy office furniture from it! 
* Mooooooo hugs Amber back 
<HelloKit> And since I don't use a w/c on a regular 
    basis, but my walking is affected, I get looks because 
    it's hard to tell I'm disabled unless you can see my 
    hands. 
<haa> i hug dancer 
<Dancer> dancing is an attitude, haa 
<phoenyxx> hugs to dancer :-) 
<Dancer> use /me haa 
<haa> i dance in my mind 
<judi> Hugs are great, but she needs an idea for her 
    topic!! 
<HelloKit> lol 
<Dancer> hellokit e me bout midi kar 
<judi> Oh haa, you just made me think of running-I run in 
    my mind. 
<phoenyxx> topic idea- how about universal issues that 
    'transcend' individual disabilities. 
<Dancer> like? 
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<Mimi> brb baby sick 
<phoenyxx> transportation, social attitudes, accessability and 
    accomodation, etc, and how those things are issues 
    applicable to all disable people to varying degrees. 
<Dancer> :) 
<Dancer> cool 
<haa> how to help others get more comfortable with us like 
    poetry or quotes 
<judi> He has a point Dancer 
<Dancer> very good ppoint 
<phoenyxx> for example, I'm in a chair and obviously I'm 
    concerned about parking, transportation, and being able to 
    get around, but that doesn't make me less understanding 
    about the things I might not need but someone else might. 
<phoenyxx> if that makes sense. 
<Dancer> true 
<phoenyxx> some people get so obsessed with things being 
    'only for handicapped people' that they end up exluding 
    alot of people that need those things! 
<phoenyxx> excluding I mean. 
<Mimi> ok, I'm back 
<Dancer> im thinking of peer relationships 
<phoenyxx> now that's a good topic :-) 
<Dancer> or something 
<Mimi> yeah, one guy complained because my 94 yr old 
    grandmother who uses a walker has a parking sticker 
<phoenyxx> peers as in disabled among other disabled or 
    disabled among non-disabled. 
<Dancer> like both? 
<phoenyxx> even better :-) 
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<Mooooooo> brb, not feeling well, need food 
<phoenyxx> Mimi: back in October when I saw 'Starship 
    Troopers' with my mom I used my mirror tag, only to find 
    the sidewalk blocked by the massive rear bumper of a Chevy 
    Suburban because the owner had parked it in the space so 
    that 
<phoenyxx> the back end of it extended over the curb and 
    over the sidewalk. and it had a handicapped plate on it! 
<judi> I liked your idea too,haa. The general public has 
    trouble being comfortable with us 
<Mimi> LOL Simon if you went to see 'Starship Troopers' , 
    you deserved it 
<Dancer> has an1 ever tried 
<phoenyxx> Mimi: the point is, I was using my permit tag 
    legally and still had trouble getting in, and what was 
    wrong with the movie? 
<phoenyxx> judi: the general public had better get used to 
    us. 
<phoenyxx> :-) 
<Mimi> I got your point...I was joking, because it was the 
    worst movie inthe history of cinema 
<Dancer> non platonic rel. as a projet? 
<judi> Used to and comfortable are 2 different things 
<Dancer> lol 
<Mimi> usually those projects fail for me Amber :o) 
<phoenyxx> no Mimi that would be 'Waterworld' :-) or as I 
    call it, 'Like Road Warrior only with boats'. :-) 
<Dancer> ummmmm 
<Mimi> I'm trying to salvage one of those projects at the 
    moment, actually 
<Mimi> I totally disagree Simon 
<Mimi> at least Waterworld wasn't so cornball 
<phoenyxx> Dancer: I don't have a girlfriend but I've 
    become good friends with a couple of women, and the chair 
    is no big deal, in fact they assure me my chances at 
    finding a girlfriend are good :-) 
<Dancer> trying to keep 1 alive despite odds 
<Dancer> ahem 
<phoenyxx> Mimi: but 'Starship Troopers' wasn't someone's 
    personal film project :-) 
<Dancer> new topic 
<phoenyxx> pardon me for making light of things Dancer. 
<Dancer> sok 
<phoenyxx> I was only trying to help, I promise. 
<Dancer> i know 
<Mimi> yes...well I haven't been in quite that situation 
    but I have a couple of things to say about that... 
<Mimi> 1) Love conquers all 
<Mimi> 2) His will, will be done 
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* HelloKit returns, looking much more comfortable. 
<Mimi> wb Carly :o) 
<Dancer> true 
<judi> Amen, Mimi 
<Mimi> :o) 
* phoenyxx agrees with Mimi :-) 
<haa> his will will not be done at my house, mimi 
<phoenyxx> ? 
<judi> ? 
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<Dancer> not a Christian, haa? 
<Dancer> sok 
<haa> if i love him that does not mean i must do what 
    he tells me to 
<Mimi> Haa 'his' = Jesus 
<judi> Husband or God? 
<phoenyxx> time for me to go, see you all later, and 
    happy new year :-) 
<Mimi> 2) His will, will be done = god's will will be 
    done 
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<Dancer> new topic 
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