Mimi: hello Han!

HelloKit: welcome han

Lao-tzu: hi all

Mimi: thanks for the email yesterday!

HelloKit: r we ready 2 start?

Lao-tzu: welcome, my pleasure, hope it's informarmative

Mimi: yep

Mimi: it is, Han :o)

haa: mimi it does have a high roof

Mimi: I've seen it from afar, but that's it. You don't like it?

Mimi: hello jolene! :O)

HelloKit: hello jolene

Mimi: jinx

haa: it is not comfortable but is practical

HelloKit: :oP

jolene: hello everyone!

Mooooooo: Hi jolene!

HelloKit: is every1 ready 2 start?

Mooooooo: I am

jolene: All set to go.

haa: hello jolene

jolene: hi

haa: what is the topic

HelloKit: heh... lucky 4 me i have all my q's typed out and ready 2 copy & paste

jolene: What are we going to talk about tonight?

Mooooooo: Aches and Pains

Mooooooo: Solutions

HelloKit: topic is: 'solutions 4 those aches& pains'

Ariella: hi :)

Mooooooo: Fenicia!

HelloKit: 1st question:

HelloKit: How many experience some kind of aches or pain as a result of their disability?

Mooooooo: I do

jolene: Solutions to what kinds of aches and pains--temporary or chronic?

HelloKit: whatever comes up jolene

HelloKit: what kind of pain, mooooooo?

Mooooooo: any time i bend over for more than 30 seconds it hurts bad when i get back up

jolene: I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/Fibromyalgia with Chronic Myofascial Pain.

Mimi: I experience pain completely unrelated to my disability, is that ok?

Mooooooo: i have to lay flat on my back for a few minutes

HelloKit: doesnt sound fun, moo or jolene

Mimi: hi Fenicia :o)

HelloKit: :o(

Lao-tzu: technically there are 2 kinds of pain -- acute and chronic

haa: i have chronic pain and swelling in my lower left arm - my only useful arm

HelloKit: i get sharp arthritis-like pain in almost all my major joints - wrists, hips, knees, ankles

jolene: My pain is chronic, but I've had other medical problems in the last year and a half that have caused both chronic and acute to attack at the same time.

HelloKit: especially my wrists

HelloKit: Has anyone asked a doctor about the pain?

Mimi: what's the difference between chronic and acute?

jolene: HelloKit, what do you do for the arthritic pain?

haa: i take lots of over the counter pain stuff

HelloKit: not much, jolene - i do have braces 4 my wrists

Mooooooo: mine just told me not to bend over for longer than 1 minute

HelloKit: real helpful, huh moo?

Lao-tzu: acute pain is sudden, chronic is long-lasting

jolene: Chronic pain is severe and unending. It really never goes away--only the severity varies over time. Acute is severe pain that is alleviated over time, and it disappears.

Mooooooo: there isnt much else that could be done

HelloKit: anybody else asked a doctor?

haa: acute goes away but chronic does not

HelloKit: personally i went to my ot - she made my wrist braces

jolene: My problem is that I cannot take anti-inflammatories because they give me ulcers. So I live with the pain.

Mimi: ok, well then I have chronic jaw pain due to TMJ

Lao-tzu: Book to read: The Challenge of Pain 2nd ed. by Ronald Melzack & Patrick D. Wall

Mimi: my doctor doesn't know what TMJ is!

HelloKit: thats always nice, mimi :o/

Lao-tzu: too much jibing?

Mimi: yeah, Carly :o)

Lao-tzu: sorry :-)

Mimi: lol

jolene: Mimi, I know what that's like because I too have TMJ problems and arthritis in the jaws.

haa: i collect natural resource sites these days

HelloKit: could be worse - our former dr. claims fetal alcohol syndrome doesnt exist

Mimi: what do you do for your TMJ, jolene?

Mooooooo: I have a pretty high tolerance to pain

Mooooooo: hello luscious

Mimi: hello luscious

Mimi: jinx

jolene: I had a doctor once tell me that if they did not teach him about a particular ailment at Harvard, then it must not exist, and he was serious!

HelloKit: has anyone had a doctor recommend something that worked or at least helped?

Mooooooo: sheesh

Mimi: wow, jolene!

^tejo: hi all

HelloKit: hey tejo

Mimi: not so far, Carly

Mooooooo: lol, well i quit bending over for more than 1 minute :o)

Mimi: my dentist helped a bit, though

jolene: I find that manipulative therapy does a good job for short periods of time.

Mimi: sounds reasonable, Daniel *g*

HelloKit: what did your dentist say/do, mimi?

Mimi: he made me a bite splint

Lao-tzu: tolerance is a must -- what is needed is the ability to live with pain: that is, to evolve and maintain patterns of behaviour that prevent pain from totally dominating life. If you succeed in this tou will raise your pain tolerance.

HelloKit: what is that?

Mimi: I have to wear it at night, it helps keep my jaw in place when I sleep

Mimi: it's like a mouthpiece, kind of like a retainer

Mooooooo: thats pretty much how i handled it Han

Mimi: it helped but it wasn't a cure

jolene: Pain tolerance can be learned over time--I've had this chronic muscle and joint pain now for 10 years.

HelloKit: Has anyone turned to some kind of alternative (herbal, for example) treatment for pain?

Mooooooo: I tried Herbal for pain and for sleep

Lao-tzu: Daniel, you're right up there!

Mooooooo: all i got was disgusting smelly burps

kb9kyy: hello

Mimi: lol

Mooooooo: hi brad

HelloKit: lol moo i know what u mean!

kb9kyy: hi all

HelloKit: hiya brad

Lao-tzu: hi brad

haa: i keep adding more natural stuff carly

Mimi: hey Jeff

Mooooooo: LOL

Mooooooo: howdy cam

ManwCam: wow...look at all the ppl

jolene: I've been hesitant to try alternative types of herbal therapy because they are not regulated or standardized.

Mimi: hello ManwCam

ManwCam: howdy mooooo and all

kb9kyy: what's the topic?

jolene: Hi ManwCam

HelloKit: i tried an herbal deep heat rub a couple weeks ag for a pulled muscle

Mooooooo: did it work carly?

HelloKit: it worked 4 a while but eventually the pain came back

Mimi: Brad the topic is 'pain'

kb9kyy: Boy! can I talk about pain!!!

Lao-tzu: Jolene: sometimes you have to stray the path of the regulated and standardized -- I had a pressure sore that I treated with 'Dragon's Blood' a resin from the bark of an Amazon tree. Scabbed in 5 minutes and healed in 1 1/2 weeks. NO standardized/regulated treatments beat that.

jolene: I've found that water therapy alleviates some of the deep muscle pain I've had--but can't use it now because of seizures.

HelloKit: has anyone used an alternative treatment that helped?

kb9kyy: i tried hitting my head on the wall, all it did was knock me out...gt;

kb9kyy: just kidding

HelloKit: lol brad

Mimi: well, putting my cup of hot coffee up against the side of my face works wonders

HelloKit: serious mimi?

jolene: Hi jody

haa: i use wrist splints ordered out of a catalog that work

kb9kyy: with all of my eye problems, I get headaches out the ***, and asprins don't usually help

jody-: hi everyone... sorry I'm late

Mimi: I also recommend not having two year olds in the house :o)

HelloKit: brad - i may have somethin 4 u

jolene: The old heating pad is always a plus for my pain.

haa: hi jody

kb9kyy: i'll keep that in mind, what do you have for me, hellokit?

Lao-tzu: hi jody

Mimi: serious, Carly :o)

ManwCam: working on a puter

ManwCam: bye all

HelloKit: peppermint is supposed 2 help headaches - i suck on an altoid

Mimi: heya Jody :o)

jody-: has anyone discussed massage therapy?

kb9kyy: good, i've got plenty in the candy jar, i'll give that a try, tnx

haa: i use ice packs too which work

Mimi: heat is great for a lot of my aches and pains

jody-: hey Mims!

jolene: HelloKit does that work for migraine-type headaches?

kb9kyy: no comment, mimi...

Mooooooo: massage is good

kb9kyy: double no comment!

HelloKit: but what really helps is 2 put some peppermint drops on a handkerchief and inhale thru it

jolene: Moooooooo, massage is greatttttttt!

kb9kyy: seriously?

HelloKit: if u catch em 1st coming on, jolene

kb9kyy: .........

jody-: I startedd massage therapy and it has really helped my arthritis

Mooooooo: I heard about that on the radio Carly

Lao-tzu: Jolene: there is a special pain killer for migraines -- sorry I forgot the name, just remember that it was about $50 for 10 pills

HelloKit: yikes!

kb9kyy: does your spouse do it for you? ;-)

jolene: That's true--I sometimes think that the pain will subside, only to find that I'm in a giant flare.

jody-: peppermint is good for stomach problems too

kb9kyy: it's also good for slingshot ammo

jody-: jolene.... do you have arthritis?

jolene: jody, what kind of stomach problems?

jody-: cramping..... mostly

jolene: jody, I have Fibromyalgia.

HelloKit: brb

kb9kyy: my mom will be glad to hear that

kb9kyy: don't threaten us

kb9kyy: <G>

jody-: but if you make a chamomile/peppermint tea it is good for cramping and diahrea

Mooooooo: Denise!!

Amazin1: Hiya!!!

jolene: hi Amazin1!

Amazin1: hi jolene

Mimi: whoa I'm lagged

haa: my husb has a food pharmacy book and is always telling me to eat a raw onion daily

HelloKit: i wish i could talk my mom into coming online w/ us - shes the herbal guru :o)

Mimi: ping me

Mimi: hello Denise :o)

Amazin1: :-)

jody-: I have lots of books on the subject.....

kb9kyy: 17 secs, mimi

jody-: I have used the chamomile/peppermint tea a lot and it really works..

HelloKit: 15 mimi

Mimi: thanks guys, I guess I'm ok now

kb9kyy: ping me

kb9kyy: not bad, 3 secs

HelloKit: 1 sec brad

kb9kyy: i'll be back in a few, gonna get my hair cut...

haa: i now take the grape seed stuff, the pine tree stuff and a few more

kb9kyy: i won't log off, though

HelloKit: hehe, how bout thirst, any1 got a solution 4 that?

jody-: H2O?

Mooooooo: drinking works for me

Lao-tzu: 32 Mimi

HelloKit: lol thanx guys :o)

jolene: Water with a twist of lemon or lime is great for thirst.

kb9kyy: moooo, send me this log when you're done...

Mimi: personally I rely heavily on Tylenol

Lao-tzu: Moo -- you mean if it doesn't help the pain at least you have a good time? :-)

HelloKit: Does anyone have any pain that they haven't found a solution for?

haa: carly i got an iced tea machine and lots of great teas

jody-: I take so much medicine I try not to add any more

Mooooooo: Tylenol does nothing for me

jody-: I'm serious about the massage therapy though....

Mooooooo: heh, Han carly asked for a solution to thirst

Mimi: yeah, my back, Carly

Mimi: I've thought about massage therapy, jody

jody-: go....

jolene: I have to use Tylenol 3 w/Codeine before the severe pain subsides to the point I can sleep at night if I get those migraine type headaches.

Mooooooo: yes, the opposite sex

Mimi: what has it done for you?

jody-: it really works

Mimi: heh, would be nice

Lao-tzu: I take 2000mg aspirin + 30 mg valium and I'm in business. Luckily the valium doesn't put me to sleep

HelloKit: ugh... the neighbors in back are playing country music really loud

jody-: a licensed massage therapist is like a physical therapist...

HelloKit: not that i dont like the music, but it is kinda loud

jody-: my therapist has been working on my hands which are really bad because of the RA...

jolene: I can't afford massage therapy--my insurance won't pay for it.

haa: jody when you have a diablity you do what does work and what might work

jody-: it helps... I didn't realize that it would, not that much

jody-: some physically therapy centers have massage therapists/physical therapists...

Mimi: I wonder if I can go even if I can't lie on my stomach

jody-: then insurance does pay for it... that's how I do it

jolene: Have you tried manipulative therapy?

jody-: they have chairs specially designed Mimi

jody-: never heard of it Jolene

haa: jolene i have grown to hate insurance

Mimi: oh, that's cool :o)

jody-: especially workers comp insurance....

jody-: massage works well for headaches too

jolene: It's osteopathic generated theraphy that stretches the muscles to make them relax--much like massage therapy.

HelloKit: yes jody :o) i always have chris massage my temples when i have a headache

jody-: my PT does that to me a little bit... it helps

jolene: haa, I detest insurance companies telling what can and can't be done.

jody-: I was very skeptical at first especially when she started massaging my hand joints...

jody-: but what a difference

Pei: I MISSED IT!

Pei: I MISSED THE MEETING!

jody-: I personally believe that all insurance people shhould be rounded up and shot....

jody-: but that is only my opinion

HelloKit: something that works for me with heachaches (most of mine are sinus/allergy related) is to plug my nose & blow air thru, like when yer trying 2 pop yer ears

haa: mine too

jolene: My insurance only pays for short-term physical therapy. Do you all have similar type of insurance. If you do, how do you handle chronic, long-term problems?

Mimi: lol

jody-: Carly.... have you tried Flonase for your allergies/sinus?

HelloKit: no jody, what is that?

jody-: I'm on comp and the judge ordered the company to pay...

jody-: it is a great new medicine that is only topical for the nose...

HelloKit: is it rx or otc?

jolene: jody, is it better than Vancenase?

jody-: you put 2 squirt per nostril and it alleviates allergies..

haa: i am geting on long term disability and have dual coverage for private ins

jody-: it is rx.... Flonase is the name. there are no generics

HelloKit: i use nasacort & echinacea right now

jody-: I used echinacea but had too many sinus infections.... so I use this now to prevent them

Pei: Ok get this. My chair is 31 and a half inches long, and the lift on the bus is 30 inches.... so we had to take it in and get a new axle for it, i'm pissed, i want at least an angle, they said they can get a 4 degree angle at the most and it will make it 29 inches long.... Right now i have a loaner chair... it's weird.... :(

HelloKit: i cant get anything rx right now - my parents ins. stopped covering anything 4 allergies a few months ago, & now i dont even know if theyll cover me since im 18

jody-: oh... it isn't very expensive because my brother doesn't have insurance and he can afford to pay for the rx

Pei: OH! AND! In the lunch line at school i went through and got my meal, then going around the other side of the railing there is part of the wall that sticks out and i can't get through, so i had to go through the kitchen at school.

jolene: HelloKit, can you have your doctor give you samples of Flonase?

HelloKit: actually i take that back - they wont cover any of our rx's anymore. theyll only cover certain pharmacies & none of them r in our town

jody-: that's a good idea jolene.... see if you can get a sample

jody-: Oh Pei.... cheer up kiddo

jolene: Pei, is the school doing anything to make the area you use more accessible?

haa: my garage is full of broken down junk which seems to go with disab

jody-: hey... iwiW is that you Mims?

Mimi: yup :o)

jody-: cute...

Mimi: ping me

Mimi: having problems

jody-: seems like it

HelloKit: Does anyone have any suggestions for things that others have brought up?

jody-: it took me 10 min to get on... all lines busy

Pei: well

jody-: I missed some of it.... like what

Pei: they aren't

Pei: but

Pei: i think i'm gonna sneak in the school one night and take a hacksaw to one of the railing legs, then i could get through.

HelloKit: lol pei

jody-: :)))

Pei: be sittin there, security comes 'Son, what are you doing?' LOL

jolene: I've thought of trying yoga to try to relieve some of my pain. Has anyone used yoga?

jody-: I have....

jolene: thanks, Moooooooo!

HelloKit: hey mr. ircop, how come chanserv's playin w/ the topic again?

haa: insurance might be a good future topic

jody-: yes.... how to kill agents

Mooooooo: i reset it since it has been very stable

Pei: OH AND! I was at wal-mart today riding in the motor cart and some clerk came up to me and said this exactly 'Excuse me partner, i'm with the store. Is there a reason you are riding in that?' I about killed him.

Pei: Mooooooo is an IRCop

Pei: COOL!

Pei: :)

jody-: Pei.... sometimes people make mistakess...

jolene: I could go on for days about insurance. Sure you want a topic like that--everyone on the channel will have horror stories galore!

HelloKit: lol unbelievable - the only time they care who's using it, its someone legit

jody-: I've been stopped for my handicap parking tag....

Pei: HelloKit: yeah :)

Pei: jody-: ack!

jody-: one very threatening letter to the town stopped that real quick...

haa: jody there must be a way to kick thier butt

jolene: I really resent people who look down their noses at me because my handicaps are not apparent to the naked eye.

Pei: jody-: :) :) :)

jody-: they even threw out a ticket that I DID deserve... :)))

HelloKit: some old lady cussed out my bf 4 using the sticker & getting out of the car, when he was coming around to help me out!

Pei: jody-: Oh BTW, you PROMISED ME THOSE HEXES! :)

jody-: same here jolene

jody-: later Pei.... they can't be used in anger...

jody-: how are you doing Kiddo?

jody-: Mimi is really having problems...

jolene: Texas has decided to take away free parking for the handicapped as of Sept 1.

jody-: what???!!!! it figures....

Mooooooo: how come?

jody-: Pei.... did you report it?

Pei: jody-: oh you know teachers, i did report it and my friend was a witness, they said 'We need to see it to do anything!'

jody-: hi Mimi....

Mimi: hi :o)

jody-: what about your parents?

HelloKit: moo does amc affect yer hands?

Pei: Bah, i didn't bother with that

Mooooooo: yep, sure does

jody-: hey Mimi.... did you read the letter?

Mimi: yeah Jody, great letter :o)

HelloKit: good, well not good, but i have a q 4 u

jody-: so????? what was your impression

Pei: i pulled my armrest off and said 'you wanna make soemthing of it' i should have hit him right there, but i would have been suspended :(

Mooooooo: okay :o)

Mooooooo: not if they didnt see it

jody-: Pei.... learn to control your temper!

Pei: Mooooooo: HAHAHA LOL

Pei: jody-: i try, i really do, but when someone whacks me on the back of the head i have a hard time....

HelloKit: i get these blisters on my hands, i think i told u bout them - like sweat blisters. do u think they could be caused by the fact that my hands r closed up most of the time?

Mooooooo: i doubt it

jody-: but Pei.... you made the comment

haa: get a peper ggun jody

Pei: jody-: he made the comment, i told him to get a life

jolene: bye y'all

Lao-tzu: Jolene: Changes in blood pressure and hormonal changes could be the trigger for migraines. Other triggers could be a shift in the endocrine system associated with menstruation or taking contraceptive pills. There is also a known genetic component, which itself could be the overdevelopment of excitatory faculties of the sensory syetm. Bottom line as far as I know is acceptance of pain without an external cause in the form of tissue damage becau

haa: Carly do you soak your hands

Mimi: Fenicia!

jody-: be right with you Pei

Fenicia: Hi :)

HelloKit: i used 2 soak them in salt water - but it was a pain 2 stand over the sink & it didnt really do that much good

haa: hey carly how about aa little bubble bath for your hand and then lots of vitamine e cream

Lao-tzu: Carly, what has the doctor said about it? Skin specialist?

HelloKit: every dr. weve gone 2 has just laughed us out of the office

Lao-tzu: Even when the blisters are visible?

haa: hello moooooooo

HelloKit: they dont believe it even happens

Mooooooo: /:o)

HelloKit: they brush it off as a on-time occurence

HelloKit: one-time

Mooooooo: filled blistered or just air blisters?

HelloKit: filled, like sweat or water or something

Lao-tzu: ...hhmmmm

Mooooooo: weird

Mooooooo: no clue

HelloKit: oh well :oP

Lao-tzu: I'd try a skin specialist (again?)

Mooooooo: I would call Dr. Dean

haa: docs are wierd

jody-: I like my doctor... he's gorgeous too...

Amazin1: bye all.... :-)

HelloKit: yeah like that dr, that still tells his patients 2 drink a glass of beer at night when theyre nursing

Mooooooo: bye Denise!

HelloKit: lol jody

Lao-tzu: by Amazin1

jody-: that's an old wives tale.... they used to think it was good

HelloKit: tell that 2 this guy

haa: i really believe in vitamin rich cream

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