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Disability discrimination

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Coll
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Re: Disability discrimination

Post by Coll » 3 years ago

We need to remember that the battle isn't again flesh and bone.

Justice
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Post by Justice » 3 years ago

So true.

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Post by Cactus Jack » 3 years ago

You are more forgiving than I am.  I see too many "christians" pulling some of the stupidest antics; just the stuff they do, the way they act, yeah it's them and not me.  But I have no care to be associated with them in any fashion.  Jesus was real, yes.  But right now, I don't know if I want to be called a Christian because of how they act.  I don't even want to be in the same room as them.
“The activist is not the man who says the river is dirty. The activist is the man who cleans up the river.” -Ross Perot

Justice
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Post by Justice » 3 years ago

So true...

Coll
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Post by Coll » 3 years ago

My belief is that the evil one delights in this kind of thing because it divides and causes bitterness.  This then destroys or witness.  I agree that discrimination the cover up is non-loving, therefore a sin, but then the unforgiving is also a sin.  Which is greater?  It hurts me to think that a church that goes to the work and expense making it's platform accessible would then not allow its use.  While my small church used to have two men lift me up into the platform so I could play.

Justice
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Post by Justice » 3 years ago

That is beautiful that they lifted you up.  Just like the person who was crippled in the bible his friends got him to Jesus.  That is then when the great physician can do his work.  I know that this person would have ministered to so many if allowed to be on the platform.

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Post by UKRobin » 3 years ago

This post has the subject title of "Disability Discrimination" but i'm not seeing anybody address it as being discriminatory and it most certainly is!.

Contact the ADA and tell them the full story.

Justice
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Post by Justice » 3 years ago

I contacted a couple of Christian lawyer groups and they say that nothing can be done because she is not a paid employee.  The lawyers said that she can leave the church anytime.  They say that she doesn't have to go there to church.  I will check into ADA but it has been over a year now even close to 2 years that I have been fighting this.  It is my understanding from someone who still attends there that the worship leader (who happens to be the pastor's wife) is denying that they removed her because of the W/C.  Now they are saying that she was "off rhythm".  12 years she played in front of the old platform because it wasn't handicapped accessible but then when the new sanctuary was built with handicapped accessible platform they now say that she can't play there because she is "off rhythm"?  That is just not the truth!

Coll
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Post by Coll » 3 years ago

Here is another example of discrimination against the disabled that is called legal and acceptable.  The tax durable medical equipment as part the Affordable Care Act.  This tax increases my medical expenses over $3600 per year. This is suppose to make it more affordable for whom?

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Post by Justice » 3 years ago

How can a person living on a fixed income afford that?  That is crazy!

Coll
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Post by Coll » 3 years ago

I have a choice of afford it or lose everything by moving into assisted living. We have spent close to forty years saving for retirement, working hard and overcoming a lot.  Now because I got an infection volunteering it looks like we might lose all.

Justice
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Post by Justice » 3 years ago

It seems like life gets so complicated the older a person gets.  I feel like I worry like crazy anymore!  I hope that your situation turns around.

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Post by Cactus Jack » 3 years ago

[quote="UKRobin"]
Contact the ADA and tell them the full story.
[/quote]
I don't know about the UK, but in the US there is no ADA to contact.  ADA is a set of laws and standards.  Not an agency or department.  Employment-wise, the EEOC.  However, religious organizations are, generally, exempt.

[quote="Justice"]
I contacted a couple of Christian lawyer groups and they say that nothing can be done because she is not a paid employee.  The lawyers said that she can leave the church anytime.[/quote]
Yes and no.  I think this might fall under public accessability with the ADA.

[quote="Justice"]
They say that she doesn't have to go there to church.  I will check into ADA but it has been over a year now even close to 2 years that I have been fighting this.  [/quote]
Hmmm.  Check into the statute of limitations for civil court.  That can be a problem they are taking advantage of. If they can drag it out and postpone your court action long enough, you might not be able to file a suit because of the statute of limitations.

[quote="Justice"]
12 years she played in front of the old platform because it wasn't handicapped accessible but then when the new sanctuary was built with handicapped accessible platform they now say that she can't play there because she is "off rhythm"?  That is just not the truth! [/quote]
26 years says the ADA must be honored no matter what.
“The activist is not the man who says the river is dirty. The activist is the man who cleans up the river.” -Ross Perot

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Post by Justice » 3 years ago

I think UKRobin is right about ADA.  Nothing will be done with religious facilities.  Doesn't seem fair at all!  When I contacted the A/G district they told me that they don't govern individual churches.  It is a vicious cycle that seems to protect evil people to get away with sin!

Coll
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Post by Coll » 3 years ago

While I don't agree with what you say happened, this is my take on the governing individual churches.
In the 1800's churches charged for pews.  The rich got the nice comfortable pews in front and the poor stood or if they were lucky they had hard benches to sit on.  This was regulated by a governing board over all the churches of the denomination.  When a pastor decided that the pews should be open to all and communion shouldn't be segregated most his congregation agreed, but ones that didn't complained the regional board and he was removed from all their pulpits. Thankfully he and his followers were able to start another church.  If local congregations are forced follow what people in power dictate leaves no room for the Holy Spirit to work locally.

Also I don't know about you, but I don't want the government to be given any control over my church.

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