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Participants:
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  ChanServ (nanook@eskimo.com)
  Mooooooo (azdse@uswest.net)
  Lonewolf
  Lily
  WonderW
  LittleMan
  Kim^^
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<Lily> there is always one 
<Lonewolf> Hi 
<Lily> hi 
<Lonewolf> This is a fun, holiday chat 
<Kim^^> hi 
<LittleMan> k 
<Lily> whoopee 
<Lonewolf> Thought it would be nice to hear each other's 
    plans 
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<LittleMan> so do i judi 
<Lonewolf> so anyone want to start? 
<Kim^^> i have no plans:):) 
<Lily> lol 
<Lonewolf> none? 
<Lonewolf> nothing Kim? 
<Kim^^> no 
<LittleMan> i will 
<Lily> christmas day here very busy.......... 
<Lonewolf> ok LM you tell us 
<Lily> k, LM< u first 
<LittleMan> Well, having divorced parents is tough. 
<Lonewolf> go for it Derek 
<LittleMan> We have all my dad's family over for Christmas 
    Eve. 
<Lonewolf> sorry 
<Lonewolf> Do you live with Dad? 
<LittleMan> We eat dinner and have one of our uncles dress 
    up like santa 
<LittleMan> dad/mom 
<LittleMan> have a rutine 
<Kim^^> which one? 
<Lily> lol, sounds ok so far 
<Lonewolf> IC 
<LittleMan> At our mom's we just open our gifts and then 
    go to who ever house Christmas is at 
<LittleMan> That's pretty much it 
<Lonewolf> good food? 
<LittleMan> yes 
<Kim^^> you live with mmom or dad? 
<Kim^^> mom 
<LittleMan> rutine 
<Lonewolf> routine 
<LittleMan> Mon., Tues. at mom's 
<LittleMan> Wed., Thurs., at dad's 
<LittleMan> Weekend at mom's 
<Lily> we still put out stockings 
<LittleMan> next week is vice verca 
<Lonewolf> really Lily 
<Mooooooo> im here 
<Lily> filled with little things 
<LittleMan> we used to 
<Lonewolf> k 
<Lonewolf> both kids come home for christmas? 
<Lily> emma is 25, wakes us at dawn 
<Lonewolf> lol 
<LittleMan> lol 
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<Lily> well, chris has his own place 
<Lily> hi wacky:)) 
<wacky> hi 
<LittleMan> hi bri 
<Lonewolf> does he come for stocking 
<Lily> we open presents in morning 
<wacky> hi all 
<Lily> later, yes 
<Lonewolf> IC 
<Lonewolf> then? 
<wacky> judy?? 
<Lily> friends drop by in afternoon 
<Lonewolf> yes brian 
<wacky> u see my P/c hun? 
<Lonewolf> oops 
<WonderW> back 
<wacky> :) 
<Lonewolf> meeting rules wacky 
<LittleMan> wb Laura 
<Lonewolf> who's nect? 
<Lonewolf> next? 
<Lily> but.............. 
<Lonewolf> sorry you weren't through? 
<Lily> lol 
<wacky> lily tell LW what I got u 
<Lily> my nicest gift this year......... 
<LittleMan> what was it? 
<Lily> is in pleasant hill at wacky's.......... 
<Lily> a pine home entertainment centre 
<Lonewolf> and is? 
<WonderW> wiw 
<Lonewolf> wow 
<WonderW> wow 
<LittleMan> wow! 
<Lily> yup:))) 
<Lily> wacky, describe?? 
<LittleMan> Brian buddy 
<Lonewolf> simone what are your plans 
<wacky> yup for house was part of our agreement 
<Lonewolf> oh sorry again 
<Lonewolf> makes sense 
<Lily> lol, we not finished judi 
<LittleMan> house agreement? 
<Lonewolf> entertainment center first then house 
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<wacky> is light pine honey finish bookshelves stereo cabnet 
    vcr shelf really nice 
<wacky> Lily moving here eventually LM 
<Lily> it sounds great, ill see it soon 
<LittleMan> oh, i didnt know that 
<Lily> yes 
<Lonewolf> they are getting married LM 
<LittleMan> really? 
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<WonderW> we open gifts on Chrisrmas eve at my mom's, 
    taking it easy this year because my mom is trying to biy 
    a farm 
<wacky> or as close as we can get to it 
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<WonderW> wb simon 
<Mooooooo> im here 
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<Lonewolf> a farm? 
<WonderW> yes 
<wacky> Lara u do XMas GERMAN style? 
<Lonewolf> nice 
<WonderW> german? 
<Lily> european?? 
<simone1> i am back 
<wacky> yea opens Xmas eve 
<WonderW> lol 
<WonderW> yes, but no sausage] 
<WonderW> :) 
<Lily> i have noewegian friend who got marzipan pig each 
    year 
<wacky> the Xmas is day of worship and family all u do 
    is eat after mid morn service 
<WonderW> we are german, actually 
<wacky> Yes lara I know do u do Advent TOO? 
<LittleMan> bbl 
<WonderW> yes 
<WonderW> usually 
<Lily> yes, wacky, she still have tree on xmas eve 
<wacky> COOL 
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<wacky> do u do liekooken cookies? 
<Lily> lol, i do ADVENT 
<WonderW> no 
<WonderW> what are they? 
<Lily> i buy Advent calender 
<wacky> they hard to make kinda like gingerbread but take 
    weeks to ferment 
<WonderW> me too, often, but didn't this year 
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<Lonewolf> I'm Catholic so we have adventwreath 
<WonderW> cool 
<wacky> helen! 
<Lily> me too, in c of e 
<haa> thicky - i forgot! 
<WonderW> my mom had one last year 
<Lonewolf> I love the advent wreath 
<Kim^^> hey i get my dog on new year's now i have plans 
    for the holidays:)))) 
<haa> hi people! 
<Lonewolf> 3 purple candles and 1 pink 
<wacky> i hope u like Xmas gift lily 
<WonderW> lol kim 
<Lonewolf> Kim you can come to my house 
<Lonewolf> hi haa 
<Lily> o, yes, im sure i will 
<Kim^^> thanks judi but i'll be fine here:) 
<WonderW> do you make the weeath, Judi? 
<wacky> haa and me gonna get drunk 
<Lonewolf> Laura what do u do Christmas day 
<haa> hey judi 
<WonderW> not much, we eat 
<Lonewolf> yes Laura 
<WonderW> sometimes bake 
<haa> yep yep yep - drunk 
<Lonewolf> Simone? 
<Lonewolf> hum 
<WonderW> and then drop cookies at neighbors 
<wacky> lol helen 
<Lonewolf> brian? 
<wacky> Yes Judi? 
<Lonewolf> what are ur plans 
<wacky> going to spend w/ helen 
<Lonewolf> ok 
<Lily> sniff:( 
<Lonewolf> so helen what have u got planned? 
<wacky> I will miss u love 
<Lonewolf> ok u 2 
<WonderW> I think that's great, Brian, I have a sense of 
    pride about it 
<haa> lily you can come too 
<Lily> lol, thx haa 
<WonderW> that you won't be alone 
<wacky> and u know i have best gift waiting there for 
    me...... accessibility! 
<Lonewolf> haa-plans? 
<WonderW> :) 
<Lonewolf> great 
<Lily> yes wacky, im so glad u going to helens 
<Lonewolf> ok-daniel? 
<haa> we have dinner, wine, pc fun, presents, candy, pie 
    and lots of fun planned! 
<Lonewolf> wake up daniel 
<Lonewolf> christmas plans 
<Lily> sounds great, haa 
<Lonewolf> hey I want to go to helens 
<Lily> me too 
<Lily> me too 
<Lily> me too 
<Lonewolf> I'll bring Kim 
<Kim^^> :) 
<Kim^^> to where? 
<Lonewolf> California 
<Kim^^> ok any really good lookin men gonna be there? 
<Lonewolf> it isn't snowing in ca is it? 
<haa> santa haa's place 
<Lily> we're all going kim 
<Kim^^> allllll right:) 
<Lonewolf> bigg house helen? 
<wacky> yea but I am taken Kim 
<Kim^^> i know:) 
<WonderW> I think we may make a pie, good idea 
<wacky> :) 
<Lily> :) 
<simone1> i am still here 
<Lonewolf> what kind Laura? 
<haa> it snowed a bit last Sunday but now tis just cold 
    :) 
<Lonewolf> I asked u earluier dear 
<Lonewolf> what are ur plans 
<simone1> seeing my parents tomorrow making thru tonight is 
    the hard part. 
<Lonewolf> simone? 
<Lonewolf> why? 
<Lily> brb 
<wacky> well we're here Simone 
<simone1> very rough right now 
<simone1> . 
<Lonewolf> alone? 
<simone1> yeah 
<Lonewolf> sorry 
<simone1> so much is hitting me really hard :( 
<Lonewolf> how are u getting to ur parents? 
<haa> not really that big judi but the house expands to 
    hold family and friends ho ho ho 
<simone1> I'm meeting them here tomorrow and we're going 
    back to their house. 
<Lonewolf> mine too haa 
<wacky> yea santa haa's even sending sleigh and helper Elf 
    to my front door 
<Lonewolf> That's nice simone 
<Lonewolf> wow wacky 
<simone1> yeah :) 
<wacky> Oh helen.... i gotta be back some time sat 
<Lonewolf> ho long will u be there simone? 
<WonderW> I want to make a pecan pie 
<Lonewolf> yum 
<simone1> I'll be there till saturday 
<simone1> . 
<WonderW> sorry it took me so long to respond 
<haa> okay bri np 
<Lonewolf> iz ok 
<Lonewolf> well our plans got all changed around this year 
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<simone1> sometimes I get reminded about things and it hits 
    all at once. 
<Lonewolf> usually e do gifts on christmas eve 
<haa> modem man off to togos for din din 
<Lonewolf> and eat all day christmas 
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<haa> i am typing by myself 
<wacky> lol should I bring Ca$h helen? 
<Lonewolf> but due to illness etc e are just doing 
    christmas day 
<Lonewolf> hi ouchy 
<wacky> and doing a fine liesurely job my dear 
<ouchy> hello Lonewolf 
<Lily> hi ouchy 
<ouchy> hi there Lily 
<Lonewolf> one of my granddaughters is a donkey in the 
    children's mass on christmas eve 
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<Kim^^> we can say hi tonite? hi ouchy 
<haa> i do not think we need that bri 
<Lonewolf> so all grandkids going to see cousin b donkey 
<ouchy> hello Kim, good to see you :) 
<Kim^^> :) 
<wacky> Hi Chris 
<Lonewolf> only wildchild will be here Christmas eve 
<ouchy> always a pleasure Bri :) 
<Lonewolf> we're doing gifts christmas morning 
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<Lonewolf> everyone brings food or cooks here 
<wacky> was teasin helen 
<simone1> i am still here just taking a phone call. 
<Lonewolf> the big highlight every year is red velve cake 
<haa> hi ais 
<Lily> hi ais 
<Ais> hi all 
<Lonewolf> and 24 hr salad 
<wacky> hI-DEEEEEEE 
<Lonewolf> danger this year though 
<Ais> :) 
<ouchy> hi ais 
<Lonewolf> daughter is making 24 hr salad 
<Lonewolf> Ais want to share your holiday plans? 
<Ais> just visiting with family :) 
<WonderW> good 
<Ais> 2 christmas dinners..one at in-laws and one at home 
    :) 
<Lonewolf> what about you ouchy? 
<ouchy> crying 
<Lonewolf> ???? 
<Ais> ? 
<wacky> ??? 
<wacky> CHRIS??? 
<WonderW> will you be alone 
<ouchy> I'm here 
<ouchy> just having hard time, let me compose myself.... 
<Lonewolf> ok 
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<Lonewolf> simone or ouchy 
<simone1> me 
<simone1> is still here 
<Lonewolf> speak already 
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<wacky> WOOF! 
<wacky> lol 
<Lonewolf> welcome viper 
<Lily> lol 
<Viper> thank you :) 
<Ais> hi viper:) 
<Lily> is very quiet 
<Viper> hi Ais :) 
<Lonewolf> we are talking about christmas plans 
<Viper> I see :) 
<Lonewolf> what are yours 
<ouchy> I hope I didnt upset anyone 
<simone1> i was saying, I'm heading to my parent's house 
    tomorrow, it's just been really rough lately. 
<ouchy> please forgive 
<simone1> tonight is just plain bad. 
<Viper> well, to eat as much as possible I guess...and 
    just relax some.. 
<Kim^^> not i ouchy 
<wacky> is ok Bud but we worry about our friends 
<ouchy> thnks 
<Ais> good plan viper 
<simone1> the past month has been really difficult. 
<ouchy> chrstmas blues 
<WonderW> no, Chris, we just care 
<Viper> hehe, yeah.. 
<simone1> I feel like I am barely hanging on. 
<simone1> ouchy: starting there. 
<Lonewolf> viper are u male or fe? 
<simone1> everything seems to push all the buttons at once. 
<Viper> Lonewolf: male.. 
<Lonewolf> I'm sure the holidays egg that on simone 
<Lonewolf> figured when u said eat and relax 
<simone1> judi: probably. I was feeling bad before 
    thanksgiving. 
<Lily> it can be very hard time simone and ouchy 
<Viper> heheh.. 
<Ais> lol lw 
<ouchy> Yep 
<ouchy> BRB 
* wacky is male (at least I was last time I cathed...but 
    that was earlier, hmmmmmm......) 
<simone1> but I just get tired of being reminded. just 
    wheeling thru the mall a month ago I nearly lost it. 
<Viper> actually, I need to study for a math test aswell, 
    but I don't think I'm gonna get around to that, until a 
    couple of days before.. 
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    gender they are. 
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<wacky> yea i had a hard time the last cpl days too 
    simone 
<SamB> ok 
<SamB> :) 
<SamB> allo 
* wacky likes that rule 
<Lonewolf> hi Sam we are discussing Christmas plans 
<Kim^^> why? 
<SamB> ok 
<Lily> bonsoir, sam 
<simone1> where's SamA? 
<simone1> :) 
<Lily> lol 
* wacky seconds motion... 
<Lonewolf> I was teasing viper about eating and resting 
    simone 
<Lonewolf> traditional male role 
<simone1> judi: ah 
<Ais> lol 
<SamB> SamA is sleeping ;) 
<Lily> all in favour?? 
<SamB> allo lily, ca va? 
<Lonewolf> women cook and do dishes 
<simone1> I wished things didn't set me off like that. 
    that time at the mall I just happened to pass a shop 
    window. 
<Kim^^> point of order- there is no motion on the floor 
    to second 
<Lonewolf> what kind of shop? 
<simone1> toy shop 
<Lily> bien, sam, vous? 
<Lonewolf> IC 
<Lily> lol, kim 
<SamB> ca pourais aller mieux, mais ca va 
<Lonewolf> still getting counseling? 
<Lily> brb 
<simone1> yes judi. 
<Lonewolf> how's it going 
<simone1> it's doing fine. 
<Lonewolf> these are the type of feelings you need to 
    explore in counseling simone-it will help 
<simone1> but that incident just hit me. 
<Lily> back 
<simone1> the counseling has helped alot. 
<Lonewolf> I'm sure those things will 
<Lonewolf> Sam what are ur plans? 
<simone1> it was just something that built up and passing 
    the shop triggered it. 
<SamB> my plans.... 
<SamB> hummm.... 
<Lonewolf> food? 
<Lily> ???????????????? 
<SamB> try to forget my lost love... try to rest a 
    little... and get ready for my next tournament :)))) 
<Lonewolf> presents? 
<Lily> awwwwwwwwwwww 
<Lonewolf> jeez 
<Kim^^> where did you leave your love? 
<Lonewolf> what kind of tournament 
<Lily> lol 
<SamB> i hope to win... again! 
<SamB> Karate Tournament 
<WonderW> I love you all, merry Christmas 
<Lonewolf> great 
<WonderW> bye :) 
<SamB> bye 
<Ais> bye ww :) 
<Lonewolf> merry christmas laura 
<Lily> good, i thought you meant a duel 
<SamB> lol 
<SamB> :) 
* WonderW hugs you all 
<Lonewolf> ouchy are u back? 
<SamB> nah 
<haa> bye ww 
<Lily> bye:)))))))))))) 
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* SamB hate violence 
<Lonewolf> love u Laura 
<ouchy> yes I'm here 
<Lonewolf> ready? 
<Lily> ouchy, talk to us.............. 
<Lonewolf> don't have to share unless u want to 
<SamB> ready? for what? 
<ouchy> Just hard.... I fight so much all the time 
<Lonewolf> ouchy having sadness problem 
<ouchy> I guess I complain too much 
<Lonewolf> no 
<Lily> o 
<Ais> no 
<SamB> ok :( 
<Lily> no 
<ouchy> wife yelled at me once again for complaining 
<Lonewolf> we are friends hre ouchy 
<Lonewolf> we all complain 
<ouchy> I know. thanks. 
<Lily> lol, this one syllable night? 
<Lonewolf> :))))) 
<Ais> lol 
<Lily> we all gripe hear 
<Lily> here 
<Lonewolf> you can say anything here 
<Lily> yes 
<ouchy> I just said ouch.... 
<ouchy> got yelled at 
<Lily> :) 
<ouchy> then got yelled at cause my eyes welled up 
<Lonewolf> you can say ouch 
<ouchy> said she didnt even know why I bothered 
<Lonewolf> that's abuse ouchy 
<ouchy> no 
<ouchy> truth 
<ouchy> fact is I'm sick. We both hate it. 
<Lonewolf> emotional abuse 
<Lily> it is ABUSE chris, i know 
<Lonewolf> no reason for you to be abused 
<simone1> darn hold on a sec! 
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<ouchy> I'm tougher than that. I only take what I feel I 
    deserve 
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<ouchy> k 
<Ais> nobody deserves abuse no matter what 
<Lonewolf> k simone 
<Lily> toughness doesnt enter into it 
<Lonewolf> no 
<Lonewolf> it doesn't ouchy 
<Lonewolf> because we are not fully functionalpeople we 
    often feel inadequate 
<ouchy> I dont feel I'm being abused. This is a really 
    hard time for her. Christmas is presented as needing to be 
    perfect 
<Lonewolf> abuse just adds to that inadequacy 
<ouchy> I'm not perfect thats fer darn sure lol 
<wacky> chris u remember my story?? 
<ouchy> yes I do 
<Ais> ouchy: i was pysically abused by a boyfriend i 
    had..and believe me..i know you think you might deserve 
    it..but you don't...i learned that 
<Lily> and tell him mine, wacky 
<wacky> well now i dont take sh*from no one bud 
<SamB> can someone help me... 
<Lily> no, me neither 
<wacky> ok I will but have to write it all out 
<Lonewolf> sure Sam 
<SamB> my sister mixed up all the colors on the irc 
    device 
<Lily> cud u sometime??? 
<SamB> i want to get them back right 
<Lonewolf> ask wackyin p/c 
<ouchy> this is my problem: I am totally capable some 
    days. Others, I am total NONFUNCTIONAL. The question always 
    is araised as to am I REALLY that sick.... or just 
    deciding to skip out on the day. 
<Ais> black eyes and broken fingers..and i thought it was 
    all my fault and that i deserved it. 
<Lonewolf> what is your disability? 
<Lonewolf> oh Heidi 
<Lonewolf> ouchy? 
<Lily> heidi, i never knew 
<Lonewolf> me either 
<ouchy> big 'ol hole in spinal cord (syringomyelia) , 
    Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, Myoclonus, and I caught mono to 
    boot. :( 
<Ais> it's not something i talk about..but i don't want 
    anyone else to go thru it 
<ouchy> mono is kickin me hard 
<Lonewolf> and anyone questions your disability? 
<wacky> ok chris no the idiots version pls? 
<simone1> back! 
<ouchy> question my ability cause somtimes I'm just fine 
* simone1 needs to be potty trained! 
<wacky> lol 
<Lily> lol 
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<Lonewolf> a lot of disabilities are like that 
<ouchy> I have a 16 inch hole in the center of my spinal 
    cord, and a disease that deteriorates my smooth muscle and 
    tendons, and a shaking and sezuire disorder. 
<Lonewolf> in my early arthritis days I was like that 
<simone1> wacky, lily, gets a little irritating right in 
    the middle of a chat having to stop like that! 
<wacky> hey mine question all the time I confuse ppl 
<Lonewolf> lol simone 
<simone1> sometimes it's hard for me to explain my 
    condition because there's not one word for it. 
<Lily> lol 
<simone1> judi: :) 
<wacky> yea dont I know it I usually dont know i gotta 
    go till I GOTTA GO 
<ouchy> lol dont I know it simone 
<ouchy> jinx bri 
<ouchy> Bye Bri 
<simone1> well wacky, I had already gone, just realized I 
    needed to change. 
<ouchy> oh silly me 
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<ouchy> your not leaving lolol 
<simone1> ouchy: you're ok then you just suddenly get 
    really uncomfortable. 
<ouchy> somtimes 
<simone1> yeah 
<ouchy> pain 
<wacky> i aint leaving 
<simone1> oh sorry about that ouchy 
<Lonewolf> I'm so sorry but I am closing the meeting 
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<ouchy> lol I know that now hahaha 
<Lonewolf> welcome Jill 
<Lily> i undrtand sim 
<wacky> ok judi 
<ouchy> understand 
<Ais> hi jill 
<Jillb> Thanks lonewolf 
<ouchy> hello Jill 
<Lonewolf> please feel free to continue 
<Jillb> Hi ais 
<Lily> k, sis 
<Lonewolf> I just can't sit any longer 
<Jillb> Hi ouch 
<Lily> np:)) 
<simone1> lily: gets a little frustrating. more of a hassle 
    than anything else. that and I can't get one of those 
    neat clear backpacks I've seen. 
<Lonewolf> I will close log but go ahead and continue 
<Ais> take care judi..merry christmas :) 
<simone1> but other than that I handle it ok :) 
<Lonewolf> Love you all 
<Lonewolf> Merry Christmas 
<ouchy> Merry Christmas Judi 
<Jillb> This is a friendly room 
<Lily> good, sim:) 
<simone1> same yo you judi :) 
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