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Participants:
  HandiBot (disabled@lawgiver.megacity.org)
  judi
  HelloKit (carlym@u.washington.edu)
  Mooooooo (dse@pacific.net)
  Gilbertt
  beetlebug
  ChanServ (nanook@eskimo.com)
  DopeHat (khodgdon@ionet.net)
  phoenyxx
  Mooooooo via Telnet (dse@pacific.net)
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<judi> I think I should go too, had a bad experience Sat 
<HelloKit> Logging is on. 
<phoenyxx> I just saw a sign of the coming Apocalypse. 
<beetlebug> yes i know where your comming from 
<phoenyxx> Party of Five is assaulting the central time 
    zone. 
<Mooooooo> we can talk about party of five later 
<Mooooooo> /:o) 
<phoenyxx> Moooooo: how about never? 
<phoenyxx> :-) 
* HelloKit says hello to everyone! 
<Mooooooo> deal 
<Gilbertt> Judi, like, what happnd? 
<Mooooooo> Hi Carly!!!! 
<HelloKit> :o) 
<beetlebug> hi 
<HelloKit> Are we all ready to start? 
<phoenyxx> hmmmm....tonight's topic doesn't lend itself to my 
    usualy snide remarks and jokes :-) 
<phoenyxx> ready here! 
<DopeHat> ok 
<HelloKit> Wow, you mean you are speechless, Simon? ;o) 
<phoenyxx> hehehe 
<phoenyxx> :-) 
<HelloKit> Okay, here we go... 
<judi> Well, its not on the subject, but I got separated 
    from my daughter in one of those super stores. She 
    couldn't find me in my chair, after about 45 min of 
    wandering, I started bawling like an idiot 
<HelloKit> How many people went to college or some other 
    career training? 
<judi> I am an RN 
* phoenyxx is finishing up an Associate's (2 year) Degree 
    at the local community college, Radio/TV/Film major. 
<Mooooooo> i tool a college class 
* HelloKit has all self-taught skills. 
* DopeHat is in college 
<judi> I was just starting to have problems when I got my 
    associate's degree, but went on to get about 30 more hours 
    toward my BSN 
* Gilbertt had four years of liberal arts at a university 
    before being injured 
<judi> I had to give up my career. 
<HelloKit> What do you now do for a job? 
<Mooooooo> I own a software publishing and consulting 
    company. 
<judi> I am on disability 
<phoenyxx> I am looking into getting myself a new computer, 
    hopefully I can start a business in web page designing, 
    later I want to get my writing going professionally and 
    perhaps 
* Gilbertt will be working again as soon as he finds a 
    job close enough 
<judi> I tried several different jobs before I gave up, or 
    rather I was told to give up 
<phoenyxx> even get a loan to buy the digital video 
    equipment I want to get. I'm trying to work for myself on 
    all of this. 
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<HelloKit> I am currently on SSI, but have several 
    different jobs I would like to do someday... which I have 
    already bored you all with several times. :o) 
<beetlebug> hey jo 
<judi> hi jo 
<Gilbertt> Hi ho Jo Jo 
<Jo> Hello everybody! 
<phoenyxx> I too am on SSI, hopefully I can phase in 
    outside income so the cutoff of SSI won't hurt too much 
    :-) 
<DopeHat> howdy jo 
<Jo> Hi DopeHat! I don't get SSI I get Social Security 
    Disability period. 
<judi> I was really good at my job, it was hard to quit 
<HelloKit> Was your job choice influenced by your 
    disability? How? 
<beetlebug> has anyone ever thought telecomputing as a 
    career? 
<Mooooooo> mine was 
<Mooooooo> because it was so hard getting a full time job 
<Mooooooo> people would look and blow me off 
<phoenyxx> My choices weren't affected directly, I was into 
    video production about 2 years prior to the chair. My 
    disability has gotten me to focus more on things though. 
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<judi> I changed from floor nursing to teaching patient ed 
    then to teaching aide classes, then to a desk job 
<HelloKit> It's possible that my disability could be the 
    reason I am so interested in computers... but I will never 
    really know. 
<Gilbertt> My career choice was an office job anyway so, 
    no trouble logistically 
<Jo> I was an insurance adjustor and private investigator. 
    They wouldn't touch me with a ten foot pole after my 
    accident. So I got married again and do lots of volunteer 
    work instead for the local historical society and military 
    base. 
<beetlebug> i think the hardest part is to try to find 
    that one person who is willing to give someone a chance 
    to proove them selves. 
<Gilbertt> This is true even aside from the disability 
    issue. 
<judi> Its hard to get a job when you can't drive, sit 
    very long, use your hands very well, etc 
<Mooooooo> yep, it is 
<Jo> They are few and far between. My husband looks fine 
    but had 3 back surgeries and two knee surgeries and had a 
    heck of a time getting even an office job. 
<phoenyxx> I hope I am not making things sound too easy 
    here, I was just saying that what I am interested in, 
    computers, video, writing, lends themselves to working 
    independently rather than a 'normal' 9 to 5 job. 
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<vaca> hello 
<judi> hi vaca 
<Jo> Hello vaca are you the vaca alias diablo or just 
    vaca? 
<Mooooooo> howdy 
<beetlebug> yes i also am into computers 
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<Lao-tzu> hi gang 
<DopeHat> hi 
<judi> hi 
<Diablo_> the aka diablo 
<phoenyxx> hello Lao tzu 
<beetlebug> hi every one 
<Jo> Hello Lao-tzu. And Diablo how's aerosmith doing 
    tonight. 
<Mooooooo> well depending on the disability, disabled people 
    are ideally suited for clerical and assembly jobs 
<HelloKit> That is true, Simon. That's what I hope to do 
    someday. 
<Diablo_> hello all 
<phoenyxx> thanks Carly. 
<Diablo_> soory i'm more in the fields of math and science 
<Lao-tzu> hi Diablo, ...devil you! :o) 
<Diablo_> my self that is 
<Diablo_> hello all again to anyone i missed before 
<phoenyxx> Mooooooo- the problem with that is that there is 
    this stereotype that all the jobs for us are clerical or 
    some kind of grunt work. 
<judi> Gee, what high aspirations, to be classified because 
    of your body 
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<beetlebug> i think if the person is up to it telecompting 
    is an exellent oppurtunity 
<VACA> hola 
<Mooooooo> simon, im only speaking for some 
<Mooooooo> not all 
<HelloKit> I was always good with advanced math (on 
    paper)... but to be honest I'm lousy at simple basic math. 
    I have to do everything with a calculator. 
<Jo> My adopted sister went to college, became a teacher 
    and still can't get hired. She has multiple disabilities 
    doesn't look pretty enough for them. 
<phoenyxx> Mooooo: true. Many clerical jobs are good, like 
    in the medical field. 
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<HelloKit> What are her disabilities, Jo? 
<phoenyxx> beetlebug: telecomputing? More info on that 
    please.... :-) 
<beetlebug> boy you do play musical names? 
<Diablo_> so i take that we started the meeting 
<Jo> She is blind in one eye, fifty percent hearing loss 
    has hearing aides, cleft palate, deformed hands and one leg 
    shorter than other.; Dextrocardia and other internal 
    problems. 
<Diablo_> beet you might say it's to fit the many sides 
    of my personality 
<beetlebug> you know dictation with a voice dictation system 
<phoenyxx> Jo: sounds serious but teaching requires a good 
    brain and it sounds like she has that. 
<judi> Discrimination abounds 
<beetlebug> you said it 
<Jo> Oh she is past chairman of handicap commission in 
    town of 30,000. She will get hired or they will get sued. 
<phoenyxx> judi: no kidding. I met a woman in a wheelchair 
    who thinks we should be grateful that low-level jobs exist. 
    Like she approves the discrimination. 
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<HelloKit> Simon... I wish someone would tell the people in 
    my town that (that teaching requires a brain)... 
<ASESINO> hola cata`l 
<ASESINO> hola beetle 
<phoenyxx> bettlebug: yes, dictation....is that what you do? 
<Jo> I know Diablo means devil, what the heck is asesino? 
<ASESINO> asesino = slayer 
<Lao-tzu> Who are you going to kill?, disabled people 
    aren't supposed to carry guns 
<phoenyxx> Carly- pardon that simplistic remark. 
<Mooooooo> lol 
<judi> Simon, I guess we all have to adjust but, what 
    about our brains? 
<HelloKit> LOL 
<phoenyxx> Lao-tzu: a wise man once said that power comes 
    from the barrel of a gun. 
<phoenyxx> and after 2009 guns for the disabled will be 
    promoted. 
<Jo> I beg your pardon Lao-tzu, people that are disabled 
    carry guns, go hunting and even shooting contest around 
    here. 
<Lao-tzu> hey, ...I've been insisting I want to velcro my 
    UZI underneath my chair 
<phoenyxx> Jo: and they run the secret police in the 
    future. 
<Hghlndr> <--I carry a 9mm handgun 
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<CAZADOR> SI 
<Lao-tzu> now were going hunting 
* HelloKit chuckles and pats Simon on the back. 
<Jo> Let them try to take my gun away from me. They 
    won't succeed until it's empty. 
<beetlebug> no but i just thought while everyone has a 
    modem maybe someone could this its possible 
<CAZADOR> YO CAZO 
<HelloKit> Next question... 
<CAZADOR> SI 
<HelloKit> If you have ever been turned down for a job, 
    did you feel it had something to do with your disability? 
<phoenyxx> beetlebug- is this a home based job or office 
    work? Sounds interesting that's what I've been looking for, 
    home-job. 
<Lao-tzu> are you a priest as well ? ...:o) 
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<Jo> Hey Texans are crazy and inventive. We will find a 
    way to get there. 
<Mooooooo> hey jeff 
<phoenyxx> Carly, a vocational counselor told me flat out 
    that I won't get a job in my chosen field because of my 
    disability! She's in a wheelchair too and she says this. 
<phoenyxx> she seems to think that's ok for some reason/ 
<phoenyxx> . 
<Jo> Just because they passed a law to get more votes 
    don't mean they are going to enforce it. 
<CAZADOR> YO TENGO ARAMAS DE FUEGOS 
<phoenyxx> My RTVF classmates say otherwise and to go for 
    it. :-) 
<judi> Set your goals high Simon, nothing is impossible 
<beetlebug> you know the people doing the interveiw willnot 
    say but..... 
<phoenyxx> judi: true! :-) 
<Mooooooo> simon, thats because she's sitting in that 
    wheelchair the wrong way. The ass is the part that goes 
    on the seat 
<Gilbertt> Har har Moo 
<phoenyxx> ha! LOL! Mooooo! 
<Jo> Cute 
<judi> amen 
* HelloKit is proud to say she was hired for both jobs 
    she has ever applied for... hehe 
<beetlebug> a comedian 
<phoenyxx> that is what sucks the most- that some advocates 
    will sanction discrimination. 
<Lao-tzu> OK, being seriuous for a moment, my personal 
    contention is to be able to work from home. Why? I have 
    a neurogenic bladder and bowel. I don't know when things 
    happen and don't wan't them to happen at a workplace. 
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<HelloKit> I can understand that. 
<Mooooooo> understandable 
<Diablo_> know what oyu mean 100% lao 
<phoenyxx> Lao-tzu: same problem here. I need to be able 
    to get into a restroom, although I've found a way around 
    that, I still need a little privacy. 
<Jo> Lao-tzu I have the same and don't for that reason. 
    But keep busy anyway I can to help others. 
<Diablo_> it's the same here 
<beetlebug> yes i think we all understand that 
<Jo> God bless adult diapers. 
<phoenyxx> Jo: you said it :-) 
<phoenyxx> (uh, I know this friend that wears them, yeah 
    that's it :-) ) 
<Jo> But it sure does come in handy for getting out of 
    jury duty around here. 
<Diablo_> i can't change the problem myself so i have to 
    just sit in the problem or have someone change it for me 
<HelloKit> I don't have that problem but I do have a 
    similar one. I get no warning: when I have to go, I have 
    to go! 
<Lao-tzu> Now, the challenge is to derive an income somehow 
    while you're at home. 
<Diablo_> but when i go it's in my diapers and there's 
    nothing stopping that 
<phoenyxx> Carly: happens to me to. 
<Jo> I just wish it would make up its mind. Either there 
    is too much or none and both are problems. 
<beetlebug> you know when able body people become elderly 
    they also may have to wear diapers 
<phoenyxx> ....I can usually 'change' myself, but still 
    there is the privacy issue. Very picky about that. 
<HelloKit> Yeah, so they shouldn't make fun of those who 
    already do! 
<Jo> Yeah except my mom and dad are in their late 70's 
    and still don't. 
<Diablo_> yeah but i have to rihgt now and will always 
    have them 
<beetlebug> i'm sure they don't think about that now 
<Lao-tzu> So we have computer programming -- specs can be 
    sent by e-mail, ftp, or courier. The employer however, 
    want's to keep tabs on what you do. I need to take rest 
    periods during the day and then they don't consider one to 
    be working on a regular basis. 
<Jo> So I have worn them for 25 years. I think the 
    inventor has bought a few cadillacs on my investment. 
<beetlebug> sooner later they will 
<phoenyxx> What irritates me is that I usually don't need 
    alot of help, but that little bit of help is harder to 
    get! 
<Diablo_> yes but you must understand i have to have 
    someone else do it for me 
<HelloKit> What about experiences with getting accommodations, 
    after you've already gotten the job? 
<Diablo_> and you want o talk about being an incoventience 
<phoenyxx> Diablo: I understand the inconvenience. 
<Jo> Hey they do have to make a certain amount of 
    acommodation for you. They bought a new chair for my 
    hubby. 
<Diablo_> can you imagine going up to someone on the job 
    and asking them to assist you in the restroom and change 
    your dirty diaper 
<phoenyxx> Diablo: I am sorry. 
<Lao-tzu> From what I know, even if I did get a job 
    outside they wouldn't be equiped to handle my requirements. 
    ie. lie down for 10 mins. every hour 
<Diablo_> np phoennxx 
<Jo> I want to bring my hospital bed with me. 
<judi> No place I ever worked made any accomodations for 
    my handicap. It was like I was supposed to accomodate my 
    handicap to their needs. 
<beetlebug> well thanks for letting me put my 2 cents in 
    but i have to go 
<Lao-tzu> bye beetle 
<Mooooooo> see ya beetle 
<Diablo_> but i was just getting my point acroos and i 
    didn't mean to offend you 
<judi> bye 
<Diablo_> later beet 
<phoenyxx> Accomodation is the whole reason I want to work 
    independently- no special accomodation to worry about and my 
    own schedule. 
<beetlebug> catch tommorrow 
<Diablo_> later 
<Jo> judi, wrong they have to around here or you turn 
    them in. We are trying to educate the handicapped of the 
    world. You know the mentally retared ones who don't 
    understand discrimination. 
<beetlebug> bye 
<phoenyxx> I don't need rest periods but I do need down 
    time sometimes to give my hands a break. 
<Diablo_> hope to see you again 
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<HelloKit> LOL, Jo 
<phoenyxx> Diablo: that's ok. 
<Jo> The squeeky wheel gets attention. 
<phoenyxx> I thought the roaring M-60 gets the attention 
    :-) 
<judi> Easier said than done 
<Jo> Agravate them enough and they will fix it just to 
    shut you up. 
<Diablo_> but it would be hard for people to accodimate to 
    me especially the way i am now 
<Jo> So use your computer technology to do something from 
    home. 
<Diablo_> i say forget them and fix it yourself 
<judi> Yes, Diablo, I can see where you would indeed have 
    a problem 
<phoenyxx> the whole thing that vocational counselor was 
    trying to pull was to discourage people from trying to get 
    accomodation in a potential job. 
<Diablo_> i would like to do that but i'm not the 
    smartest in computers 
<phoenyxx> like she didn't want her clients to get decent 
    jobs. 
<Hghlndr> Like what, Jo?? I mean, I do research from my 
    home, but I'm not self-supporting. 
<Diablo_> i hate when people think that we're useless and 
    can't even do anything for ourselves 
<HelloKit> Has anyone ever been involved in a lawsuit 
    involving job discrimination? 
<Jo> I do a ton of volunteer work. With all the past 
    experience and that people know who I am and the work I 
    do. I suppose it would be easier when they know you and 
    are used to seeing you and aren't feeling insecure from 
    seeing a handicaped person. 
<Lao-tzu> Consider a situation where your stomach is bloated 
    because the days before you didn't get any veggies (mistake 
    of course -- but it's done!). Now you need to perform a 
    disimpaction and I have yet to find any public place or 
    employers' location where you could perform such procedure. 
<Mooooooo> nope 
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<phoenyxx> Lao-tzu: again I am sorry. 
<phoenyxx> hello raven. 
<Raven_> hihi 
<judi> hi raven 
<Lao-tzu> hi raven 
<Jo> Hello raven 
<Raven_> :) ! 
<Diablo_> because it's not true it's just that we can't do 
    anything it's just that we need some special things 
<Diablo_> hi raven 
<judi> We still have brains 
<Raven_> computer programer 
<Raven_> hi 
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<ASESINO> hola raven hi 
<Jo> You can't please everybody all the time. And we can't 
    expect the world to please all of us but we have to 
    start and try or they never will. 
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<Raven_> hola, como estas ustedes? 
<phoenyxx> talking about computers- my dad told me to look 
    into web page graphics design for hire. Sounds like it 
    pays well, and the computer I want to get anyway would 
    work fine for that. 
<Lao-tzu> no, don't worry Simon, I'm just proposing some of 
    the problems for a very specific type of disability. They 
    are all different even if you have two (2) T6 paraplegics 
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<judi> That sounds interesting 
<CAZAOR> HOLA RAVEN 
<Raven_> I write 
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<Diablo666> hola cata`l 
<Raven_> hola tambien :) 
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<phoenyxx> Lao-tzu: what frustrates me is that I've seen 
    people ready to accomodate alot for one person but not 
    willing to do something simple for someone else. 
<Jo> CAZAOR if you don't translate for me I'll never know 
    what your doing and be able to laugh at the right place. 
<phoenyxx> I need just a little help. 
<Lao-tzu> Raven: try changing 'como estas ustedes' for 'como 
    estan ustedes' 
<Raven_> estn? gracias, pero, Por que? 
<Diablo_> jo i'm changing my name and speaknig in spanish 
<Diablo_> brb 
<phoenyxx> the thing that bothers me nowadays is that if I 
    really want to get out during the day alone and still 
    have my hands ready to type or work a VCR or camera, one 
    of my doctors is 
<phoenyxx> suggesting a power chair. 
<Jo> Danke mein herr 
<judi> Simon, I can imagine how frustrated you must be, 
    aren't you in your 20's 
<phoenyxx> I am 27 (turned 27 this past July 27th) 
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<HelloKit> Has anyone been successful in resolving a 
    discrimination problem without a complaint or lawsuit? 
<Lao-tzu> Raven: you use 'estas' to address a singular and 
    'estan' for plurals 
<phoenyxx> hello jenn. 
<Jo> Hello jenn 
<Gilbertt> Hi Jenn 
<jenn> hey how's it going 
<phoenyxx> I haven't yet run into any legal problems. 
<Raven_> ic, guess I should have taken II 
<Mooooooo> if i had to sue a company to get the job, i 
    would not want the job 
<Hghlndr> I agree, Moo 
<Jo> parles vous fracais 
<judi> me either 
<HelloKit> Very true. 
<Jo> sorry francais 
<phoenyxx> Jo: you want to talk to Mimi- she's our 
    resident French speaker here :-) 
<Raven_> and Fen. 
* HelloKit . o O ( But I would take the big 
    settlement... hehe ) 
<Raven_> and dope 
<Jo> Oh no I am in trouble. Grandpa was from Quebec and 
    I haven't used it in over 25 yers. 
<phoenyxx> raven: thanks for the reminder! :-) 
<Raven_> :) 
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<Jo> Hello oranges. 
<oranges> hi jo! how are you? 
<Lao-tzu> hi oranges 
<phoenyxx> hey oranges! 
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<oranges> hi lao-tzu 
<Jo> Doing fine. But getting tired. 
<Raven_> c, I worked with some Mexicanos in a rest. and 
    chopped my way through communicationn, Lao 
<oranges> so what are we talking about tonite? 
<Mooooooo> Employment Opportunities 
<Raven_> translaters! 
<phoenyxx> hey does voice recognition work with IRC? 
<Jo> discrimination 
<Mooooooo> yes 
* HelloKit slaps her foot around a bit with a large 
    trout... 'Quit twitching!' 
<phoenyxx> my hands start cramping really bad after alot of 
    typing here. 
<HelloKit> I hope so, Simon... I'm using it. :o) 
<judi> Simon, if you find out, tell me how to do it 
<phoenyxx> oh Carly- forgot about that :-) 
<judi> Carly, what kind 
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* HelloKit is using the best one out there: DragonDictate. 
<Jo> I just spent 1700 on this thing and wish I had put 
    in more cause this typing is killing me fingers. 
<Raven_> wars are fought with minds controling guns. 
<Gilbertt> Gotta go - expecting a call from my honey - 
    Later! 
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<Lao-tzu> I find it great when people go an speak it as 
    they can (...I was being picky, didn't mean to put you 
    down...). Same with spelling, if you get the meaning, 
    that's waht is important. 
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<Raven_> wasn't implying, informing :) 
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<Jo> Hi Joel! I type like I talk, disjointed sentences and 
    paragraphs a mile long. 
<phoenyxx> I am looking into getting a new computer, but 
    this time I want to get something fully loaded. 
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<Joel> Hi, Jo, everyone. 
<judi> Carly, how long did it take you to train your 
    Dragon Dictate? 
<[lucifer]> Hey do you guys now of any whacking services? 
<HelloKit> Simon... www.custom-pc.com :o) 
<phoenyxx> cool Carly. 
<Raven_> publishing 
<HelloKit> Judi, it trains as you go... but initially about 
    3 days to get it working well. 
<oranges> hi brian 
<brian> hello 
<judi> I've been fooling with Voicetype for over a month, 
    ready to pitch it 
<Jo> Got to go call hubby and make him eat supper at 
    work. Catch you all another time. So long. 
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<HelloKit> VoiceType sucks... but that's just my humble 
    opinion. 
<Lao-tzu> bye Jo 
<Raven_> :( oranges 
<Mooooooo> see ya Jo 
<judi> I agree 
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<HelloKit> What advice would you give to someone with a 
    disability who is looking for a job? 
<Mooooooo> get an education 
<Raven_> diction: overachieve 
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<Joel> Pick something that you enjoy, and then you'll be 
    good at it, Carly. 
<judi> Be prepared to 'sell' your talents 
<Diablo666> hello all 
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<[lucifer]> Hey do you guys now of any whacking services? 
<Joel> Hello, Diablo, hello NQ. 
<Diablo666> hey LUCIFER i really like the name 
<Diablo666> i think it was a good choice 
<[lucifer]> thanks 
<Raven_> not important oranges :) 
<[lucifer]> hey Diablo666 I really hate the name 
<[lucifer]> It sucks 
<Diablo666> why's that 
<phoenyxx> ok, what is this? 
<Lao-tzu> Determine exactly what you like doing being as 
    critical with yourself as you possibly can be regarding 
    your limitations and finding the intersection thereof. 
<Raven_> oh....ok 
<phoenyxx> I see that the President of the United States 
    is here. 
<phoenyxx> or is it Bill Gates? 
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<Diablo666> hello 
<judi> Gotta go guys, hands won't type anymore 
<Diablo666> later 
<phoenyxx> I am getting to that point myself.... 
<Diablo666> hey hellokit my name won't change 
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<Lao-tzu> bye judy 
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<Diablo666> hello 
<Joel> Hmm, I don't think it's so important to be 
    critical, others will do that for you if you let them. 
    ;-) Just follow your heart in making choices, and then 
    work like hell. 
<Diablo666> wh did it say i just quit when i'm still here 
<HelloKit> What other advice would you give to someone 
    facing discrimination in the workplace? 
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<Diablo_> ok nevre mind that's better 
<Diablo_> hello mooo 
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<Lao-tzu> I don't agree Joel, I think it's important to be 
    critical with yourself first because it will prepare you 
    better for what others will do later. Also it this 
    intersection of what you wnat to do and what you can do 
    that is very important. 
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<Mooooooo> hello 
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<Diablo_> i've already expercinced what others can and will 
    do to the disabled (mainly me) 
<Lao-tzu> hi Fen 
<Diablo_> hello fen 
<Fenicia> hello 
<Mooooooo> em :o) 
<Raven_> hi fen 
<Diablo_> people can be so mean at times for no apperent 
    reason 
<Fenicia> :) 
<phoenyxx> ack. got to go. see you all later..... 
<Lao-tzu> bye Simon 
<Raven_> smokin' oranges 
<phoenyxx> hate to do this but my hands start hurting bad 
    after about an hour of this. 
<Fenicia> bye bye Simon 
<Joel> Perhaps. I once had a music professor that said you 
    have to listen with two ears--one that says 'how 
    beautifully I am playing' and the other that says 'that 
    could be better'. I think that many people have only one 
    ear. (apologies to any one-eared ppl) 
<Mooooooo> bye simon 
<Diablo_> oranges you here or on the private 
<oranges> both 
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<Diablo_> ok just wondering 
<Diablo_> but i was saying 
<Mooooooo> we discuss it all 
<Lao-tzu> Diablo: Human nature is a mixture of attributes. 
    Meanness is one of them and it's not necessarily focused 
    on 'disabled' people. 
<Diablo_> some jerks one day thouhgt they would be funny 
    and stick this blocks of wood around my wheels so that i 
    couldn't move 
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<HelloKit> NQ: all are welcome, but most of us have more 
    experience with physical disabilities. We try to cover all 
    bases though. 
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<NQ> are you ppl here often? 
<HelloKit> A few of us live here. :o) 
<Mooooooo> we're here daily 
<Lao-tzu> and those guys that put the block of wood might 
    be capable of raping a girl around the block as well. 
<Raven_> <--- Worked with TMH once 
<phoenyxx> bye! :-) fun chat tonight! 
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<Diablo_> and all that i could do is sit there and try 
    to mave while they laughed their heads offf 
<Diablo_> i was just adding to the point that you have to 
    be ready for stuff that comes your way 
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