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Participants:
  HandiBot2
  Raven_
  orange
  Countrybo
  Deb
  AngL
  wood_girl
  phoenyxx
  Mimi (mimi@lino.com)
  oranges
  DopeHat (khodgdon@ionet.net)
  ChanServ (nanook@eskimo.com)
  HelloKit (carlym@u.washington.edu)
  Diablo11
  James
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<HelloKit> logging is on
<orange> hi james
<James> hi
<Deb> why do you say that phoenyxx?
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<Raven_> i have to upgrade (WHAAAA)
<Deb> have you had trouble getting educated?
<wood_girl> hi james
<orange> hi jody!
<wood_girl> hi jody
<Jody> hi everyone
<HelloKit> Is everyone ready to begin?
<Jody> sure.....
<phoenyxx> Deb: I've gotten flak from disability counselors because 
   I'm pursuing the RTVF degree and not taking vocation classes like 
   'other disabled people'.
<orange> ready when you are
<Mimi> Jody  :o)
<Jody> Hey Mimi....
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<Jody> guess what...
<Mimi> Simon you get flak from everyone  ;o)
<Mimi> what?
<Mimi> wb 
<phoenyxx> not here Mimi :-)
<Mimi> lol, ok, you got me  :o)
<orange> phoenyxx..where do you go to school?
<Jody> courtney crawled back into his shell.... the euphoria is over
<HelloKit> First question...
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<HelloKit> Is anyone here going to or graduated from college?
* Mimi is a college graduate
<Jody> I've graduated
<orange> mimi...but then i don't get any messages from anyone else
<Mimi> awwwwwww
<wood_girl> i bearly got my ged
<Mooooooo> I didnt go to college, but i did take a few classes
<Raven_> NEVER GOING TO...*SIGH*
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<orange> raven...what do you mean?
<Raven_> I'll never get out, it seems...
<orange> raven...i know the feeling! what year are you?
<Mimi> seemed that way to me too, Raven...you will though  :o)
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<Jody> are you on the 4+ plan raven?
<Raven_> soph., going into Jr.
<Raven_> nope
<orange> raven...you are going to be a jr this coming semester or the
one in the fall?
<Mimi> it took me 6 and a half years to graduate
<Raven_> I donn't guess, more like 4-infinity
<Jody> it took me 5 and a half
<phoenyxx> orange- I'm finishing up getting an associate's degree at 
   San Antonio College (community college).
<HelloKit> What kind of help or services did/do you need in school 
  due to your disability?
<Jody> private room in the dorms!!!
<phoenyxx> don't get me started Carly :-)
<Raven_> none, but ramps
<Raven_> maybe yours...
<kb9kyy> boom
<kb9kyy> hehe
* HelloKit graciously makes a certain finger gesture in the general 
  direction of her local ISP...
<Jody> lol
<Mooooooo> lol
<wood_girl> lol
<phoenyxx> and instructors have been cool about it, like knowing that
I might be a little late for class sometimes.
* kb9kyy makes the same gesture toward his...
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<HelloKit> lol Brad
<Diablo11> hello
<kb9kyy> hi
<wood_girl> wb diablo
<HelloKit> How difficult is/was it to get these services?
<HelloKit> ping me
<Raven_> ramps aren't generally located next to classes here
<Diablo11> can someone please tell me what NewNet server to use with 
   the IRC channel
<HelloKit> irc.worldnetla.net
<Jody> getting a private room took some doing but I got one for 3 
   years...
<kb9kyy> we ought to have a meeting on accessable ISP's
<kb9kyy> gotta go...time for bed
<kb9kyy> good night all
<Raven_> i use Eskimo
<wood_girl> really dif   couldnt get them...
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<Jody> nnite
<kb9kyy> http://members.tripod.com/gjkd/  <== Sign Guestbook (macro)
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<Mooooooo> Eskimo is always overburdened, use irc.worldnetla.net
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<phoenyxx> how hard is it too get services?  If I went to the DSS 
   office at the college with a suitcase and said it was a nuclear 
   device they'd still say hell no to assistance.
<Raven_> hmmmmmmmm............................yeah
<HelloKit> Someone I know had some major problems with his school.  
  He's deaf and needed a strobe light hooked up to the fire alarm... 
  requested it well ahead of time and it still wasn't in place when 
  he got there.
<Jody> time for a new college Simon
<Raven_> anyone use DVR here?
<HelloKit> One night there was a fire down the hall, his roommate 
  wasn't there to wake him...
<wood_girl> that sucks
<HelloKit> He was very upset that he could have died that night.
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<wood_girl> that's right
<phoenyxx> Jody- I'm almost done there anyway.
<orange> that's awful
<Diablo666> hello am i here
<Jody> ping me
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<HelloKit> Hey Diablo
<Diablo666> hello am in here
<HelloKit> Yep, you're here :o)
<wood_girl> hi diablo
<Diablo666> wow i actually did it
<phoenyxx> Carly- a black hole in space doesn't suck like that, and 
   the real p***er is that some disability 'advocate' will actually 
   try to excuse that!
<wood_girl> ya
<Mimi> simon I love your colorful language  :o)
<HelloKit> lol
<HelloKit> Did anyone get help paying for school?
<Diablo666> i got on throug on the irc channel
<phoenyxx> Mimi: like the time I wanted to rent a Ryder truck and 
   call it an 'accessability assurance device' :-)
<Raven_> DVR pays it all
<Jody> yep.... tap, pell, loans.... I didn't get anything because of 
   my physical problems tho..
<Diablo666> mimi did oyu want me to change me nick
<Mimi> bad, Simon...bad bad bad  :o)
<Mimi> yeah, that would be nice, Diablo  :o)
<Diablo666> if you can tell me how i will do it
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<Mimi> you make it look like a Black Mass in here
<HelloKit> I took a college writing class through my high school 
  after I graduated... VR had agreed to pay for it, and to my 
  knowledge, a year later, they have never paid it and I got no 
  credit.
<Diablo666> is it under setup
<Mimi> type "/nick Diablo_" without the quotation marks
<phoenyxx> Mimi: but you laughed, admit it! :-)
<Mimi> just type that where you normally type your text
<Mimi> ok, ok, I admit it  :o)
<deus>  do u want to continue?
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<Mimi> :o)
<Diablo_> ok is that better
<Mimi> thanks  :o)
<HelloKit> Was a very discouraging experience.
<Mimi> yup, that's better
<Diablo_> np
<wood_girl> i bet hello
<Diablo_> anything to make oyu peolpe happy
<Raven_> ic...............
<Mimi> aw, that sux carly
<HelloKit> I've considered filing a complaint, but sometimes I think 
  it's not really worth it.  I didn't do very well in the class 
  anyway.
<Raven_> I have to be chalanged, maybe u 2
<Raven_> 25 orange
<Diablo_> so what are we talking about
<Raven_> courses
<HelloKit> The topic is education, Diablo.
<HelloKit> Did anyone find college to be too stressful or too much to
handle on top of your disability?
<Diablo_> ok 
<Diablo_> i can handle that
<Diablo_> can't tell haven't gone yet
<Diablo_> but high school is hard enough
<Raven_> personally, no, college helped me be more independant
<Deb> the semester i had several seizures and needed to go on 
   anti-convulsants, i ended up with a 1.923 (failing) GPA
<Raven_> and tolerant
<Mimi> Yeah, Carly....my neurologist told me I couldn't go out an 
   party with my peers  :o/
<Deb> it was a baaaaaaaaaad time (freshman year too)
<HelloKit> I agree, Diablo... high school can be a pain.  I have lots
  of stories I could tell you about high school...
<Mimi> not supposed to drink or stay up late
<Raven_> barely diablo
<Jody> no drinking??? too bad
<Deb> not supposed to drink here either (or do other mind-altering 
   substances) - -in college!!  it's nearly impossible
<HelloKit> Mind-altering substances... lol
<Diablo_> i just hate the way people treat me and look and act to 
<Diablo_> me
<Mimi> well, I drink anyway  :o)
<phoenyxx> sometimes you can get yourself into more trouble by trying
to appeal a bad grade on disability grounds.
<Deb> me too, Mimi
<Raven_> the only good thing i can say about highschool is that it's 
   over
<Deb> and try the other mind alterers from time to time ;-)
<HelloKit> If so, what could you have done to make it easier to 
  handle?
<Diablo_> i wisah icould say the same reeven
<Mimi> I still get loaded way too fast because of the meds, but I 
   don't drink much anyway...not anymore
<Mimi> Deb, I can't handle it, drives me buggers
<Deb> it's irritating
<Deb> i can drink pretty much and don't let it worry me
<phoenyxx> I hardly drink- a beer every now and then, and a drink 
   during the holidays, that's about it.
<Mimi> I mean I can't handle other mind alterers  
<Mimi> what are you on, Deb?
<Deb> i've only tried one and don't do it much
<Deb> Mysoline a/k/a Primidone
<Deb> you?
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<Mimi> Tegretol aka carbamepazine
<Raven_> brb
<Jody> talking drugs, eh?
<Mimi> ever tried taking one and then drinking on an empty stomach??
   :o)
<Mimi> heh, yeah  
<Diablo_> the one time i drank i threw up over myself and sat in my 
   functions for quite a long while
<Deb> back in college when my friends were trying all sorts of mind 
   alterers left and right i was too afraid to try anything
* HelloKit clears her throat... is this part of our "education" 
  discussion? ;o)
<wood_girl> lol
<Jody> for some....
<HelloKit> heh
<Diablo_> no i don't think so but it's close enouhgt
<phoenyxx> A question I have for all of you here......
<Deb> i am violently allergic to Tegretol, Mimi - had a terrible 
   allergic reaction to it -- classic -- rash, fever and all -- my 
   doctor took a picture of me
<Mimi> LOL
<HelloKit> Use red, Simon... catches their attention.
<phoenyxx> Have any of you felt or been pressured to pursue something
   you weren't interested because of your disability?
<Mimi> well, that was how epilepsy affected my college experiance 
   Carly, sorry  :o)
<Mooooooo> Yes
<HelloKit> Yes!  Simon, very much so...
<wood_girl> ya
<Diablo_> hey i have to get ready for bed so i'
<Deb> for me it was the bad reaction to the seizure medications - 
   -ended up getting me bad grades
<Diablo_> ll see yenze all later
<Raven_> mimi, whadda ya rinkin'?
<wood_girl> bye diablo
<Diablo_> what the hay i'
<Mooooooo> I was told by a psychologist that I lack the basic 
   intelligence to do computer programming
<Mooooooo> and that i should get some menial job
<Diablo_> ll stay for a little while longer
<Mimi> whoa
<HelloKit> I enjoy doing graphics and design on my own time, under my
  own terms... but school people wanted me to make a career out of 
  it.  College art classes were not my idea of an interesting 4 
  years...
<Mimi> I'm glad you didn't listen to him Daniel  :o)
<Deb> really Mooooo!!!???  you shoudl sue!
<Mimi> rinkin'?  Raven?
<Jody> hey, Dan, hack into his system and crash his files.....
<HelloKit> lol!
<Mooooooo> I was thinking about that Jody
<Diablo_> is anyone here under the age of 18
<Diablo_> besides me
<Raven_> lol....drinkin'
<Mooooooo> But I may send him a copy of the very large contract I got
   today 
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<Mimi> nothing these days, Raven, I'm breastfeeding!
<HelloKit> heh, do it Daniel
<Jody> lol
<Mimi> cool  :o)
<Diablo_> mooo
<Jody> go for it Dan
<Mooooooo> \:o)
<Diablo_> hey do you have any 3d games
<Raven_> oblivious to that stuff, never thought..
<HelloKit> Has anyone taken any correspondence classes or classes 
  over the internet?
<Mooooooo> yes, I have a car :o)
<Raven_> TV
<Diablo_> send him the graphic file out of it 
<Jody> no but I thought about it
* Mooooooo took a 6 month course in emotional abuse over the net
<Mimi> No, but I'm seriously considering it, Carly
<HelloKit> lol Mooooooo
<Diablo_> make sure it's the biggest
<HelloKit> Or was that serious?
<Mooooooo> that was *cough*bullshit*caroline*cough*cough*
<Diablo_> it'll take em' almost an hour to recieve them i've sent 
   afew of those
<HelloKit> I was going to take a correspondence US History class the 
  summer before my junior year in HS, in order to lighten my class 
  load the following semester.
<Mooooooo> I think Keith is taking some classes with ZD online
<HelloKit> But I decided against it.  Not sure why.
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<Raven_> TV courses r bogus
<phoenyxx> so it's a common thread to be told to take something 
   menial despite interests or ability?
<Diablo_> SO IS ANYONE HERE UNDER THE AGE OF 18
<Mimi> I would love to find a master's program on the internet!!
* Mimi is an old hag
<Mooooooo> not me
<Jody> me too, Mimi
<Diablo_> well that didn't help
* HelloKit isn't under 18, but she is 18.
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<Mimi> ok, I'm 27
<Diablo_> i'm looking for someone around my age
<Raven_> 18?  HAHAHA...
<phoenyxx> me too Mimi
<Diablo_> what are you laughing about
<Mimi> you too what Simon?  masters?
<HelloKit> Yeah, what are you laughing about?
<Raven_> mimi, can i be one oo (as i rem., you're only 2 yrs my sr.)
<phoenyxx> I had a vocational counselor get mad at me for not 
   listening to her about clerical jobs and continuing my interest in
   video production.
<DopeHat> did i miss much
<Raven_> too
<phoenyxx> Mimi- the me too was that I am also 27
<Diablo_> dope how old are you
<DopeHat> 23
<Diablo_> this bites 
<Mimi> ok Simon
<phoenyxx> at the college I go to alot of the disability resources 
   are geared towards disabled students taking vocational courses for
   clerical jobs.
<Jody> 32
<Mimi> we're nice people anyway, Diablo
<Diablo_> noone in here is under 18 heck
<Diablo_> i was lookin gfor someone to relate to age wise
<HelloKit> Which did/do you prefer: college or correspondence 
  classes... and why?
<Raven_> mimi, speak 4 yourself..hehe
<Mimi> lol
<Mimi> college!!
<Jody> college!!!
<phoenyxx> I like college classes.  Even the early morning ones :-)  
<Jody> jinx
<Mimi> I just adore the academic atmosphere and the access to all the
   perks of campus life
<Mimi> whoa, Jody
<Jody> I loved all of it...
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<phoenyxx> Mimi: that helps too :-)
<Raven_> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...cruelty of the fates
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<Diablo666> hello woood
<Diablo666> what's up
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<Diablo666> hello loa
<Mimi> Han!  :o)
<wood_girl> hey diablo
<Diablo666> hold old are oyu
<Diablo666> how old are you loa
<Diablo666> and same for you wood
<Diablo666> but i know you're not under 18
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<Diablo666> hello hiarman 
<Mimi> Harry!  :o)
<Lao-tzu> hey gang!
<wood_girl> 20 diablo
<Hairman> hi all
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<HelloKit> Personally, since I've done neither, I'm not really sure.
  I can see the benefits of both.
<wood_girl> hi hairman
<Diablo666> how old are you hairman
<Raven_> Ellen is soooooooooo funny...hehehe
<Hairman> hi wg
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<Diablo_> well i want ages peole
<HelloKit> What advice would you give to teens with disabilities 
  getting ready to graduate high school?
<Lao-tzu> hey devil, 50
<Diablo_> thanks 
<Mooooooo> to go and work harder than anyone
<Raven_> hmmm....I wasn't disabled then....
<phoenyxx> My advice- know what you want, and don't be deterred!
<Jody> to investigate the college thoroughly... not just for 
   academics but for what they offer as services.
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<Jody> some, like the one I attended, do a lot for ALL of the student
<Jody> s
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<Diablo_> hello Kat how old are you
<Diablo_> never mind
<wood_girl> ;)
<Lao-tzu> doing statistics
<HelloKit> Jody - and some schools only have DSS offices because they
  have to...
<wood_girl> ya
<Diablo_> so hair how old are you
<Hairman> 46
<Diablo_> thanks
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<Hairman> ur welcome
<Jody> I know Kit... but still. Talk to the students. Check and see 
   if there are visible students with disabilities...
<Diablo_> hello al2
<Hairman> :)
<Mimi> la@
<Mimi> oh, jees
<wood_girl> hi al2
<Mimi> al2  :o)
<Diablo_> how old are you al2
<Jody> If you see no disabled students.. that's a clear hint that the
   school isn't helpful
<al2> jello all (Spanish)
<Hairman> kit ... do you know what you want to be when you grow up?
<Raven_> hola
<Hairman> :)
<HelloKit> Anyone else have any questions/comments concerning 
  educational opportunities?
<Diablo_> hola
<Jody> Carly, I think it has turned into a free-for-all
<Raven_> los canal de "disablity" es bien
<Diablo_> tu tenes an~on
<HelloKit> lol Hairman... when I grow up? ;o)  Actually, I'd like to 
  do something in the field of web design.
<al2> oh... diablo... sorry i just saw the age question... 47
<Deb> ?que quieren saber, amigos?  ;-)
<Raven_> tengo.......viently y cinco an~os
<Diablo_> thanks
<Mimi> I thought you wanted to counsel people with disabilities,
Carly
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<al2> but feel like 80
<Raven_> que?
<HelloKit> That too Mimi... I have a lot of things I'd like to do - 
  maybe I'll open up a "variety" business... hehe
<Hairman> ok .... figure out all the things you need to do to 
   accomplish that goal .... then start knocking them off one at at 
   time.
<Diablo_> no tu feel tus an~on
<HelloKit> I want to be a famous singer too, remember? ;o)
<Hairman> and never give up ...
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