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<suzze> woo hoo 
<suzze> party!!!! 
<Mooooooo> yeehaw 
<Mooooooo> i guess i could mass invite 
<Ray-1> I've got the drinks! 
<suzze> yes, you could 
<suzze> woo hoo, pour me a diet coke 
<Mooooooo> a friend told me why diet coke tastes so 
    metalic 
* suzze brings in baskets of chips and nacho doritos 
<suzze> o no, what?? 
* Ray-1 pour suzze a diet coke. 
<Mooooooo> it has more acid which gets aluminum from the 
    can in it 
<suzze> lovely 
<suzze> thank you ray 
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<Mooooooo> which causes alzheimers 
<suzze> what??? 
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<suzze> omg, don't say that to meeeeee 
<suzze> yuck 
<suzze> scary 
<Mooooooo> but, what the heck 
<suzze> ok, what if i buy it in two-liter? 
<suzze> i buy lots of 2 liters instead of cans 
<Mooooooo> plastic is fine 
<suzze> good, then i shall continue consuming mass 
    quantities of diet coke 
<Mooooooo> ok all 
<suzze> in plastic 
<Mooooooo> tonight's topic is i aint gotta damn clue 
<suzze> lol 
<Mooooooo> and as such 
<Mooooooo> we can decide what to talk about 
<Mooooooo> and then talk about it 
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<Mooooooo> until we're done talking about it 
<Libby^3> Voila! 
<Mooooooo> sound like a plan? 
<suzze> sounds like a plan 
<suzze> gmta 
<Mooooooo> lol 
<Mooooooo> maybe we can come up with ideas for future 
    meetings 
<Mooooooo> something fun 
<Mooooooo> informative 
<Beat> Gmta? 
<Libby^3> Fun is good 
<suzze> gmta=great minds think alike 
<Mooooooo> maybe even re-issue some old meeting topics 
<suzze> ok, cool 
<suzze> there's one that i have mentioned before 
<suzze> to judi and lily 
<Mooooooo> whats that? 
<suzze> and that is, how to guard against getting too 
    emotionally involved in ppl's problems 
<Mooooooo> ooh 
<Mooooooo> i like that 
<Libby^3> me too 
<suzze> cool 
<suzze> cause i have done that before and it can be soooo 
    draining 
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<Beat> Yes thats a good one Suzze 
<Mooooooo> yep, i think we all have 
<Mooooooo> one popular topic was Disabilities & Romance 
<suzze> yyyyyyeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssss 
<Mooooooo> we had one the last friday of every month 
<suzze> that sounds interesting 
<Libby^3> You mean disabled ppl have romances?? No way! 
    ROFL 
<camille> romance???? whats that 
<suzze> :o) 
<camille> oh that thing with the hubby 
<Mooooooo> yes, but the ones who dont have romance have 
    batteries 
<suzze> not all!!! 
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<suzze> some don't believe in batteries 
<Mooooooo> Disability Foul-Ups, Bleeps & Blunders was fun 
    too 
<Mooooooo> lol 
<suzze> o, like stupid things others have done? 
<suzze> or, ourselves? 
<Mooooooo> yep 
<Mooooooo> both 
<suzze> ok, that would be fun 
<Libby^3> Hi captdog 
<Beat> Yes Good Question cammille 
<Mooooooo> Jo hosted Sex and Disabilities twice 
<Beat> Lo 
<suzze> how about, marriage and disabilities 
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<Mooooooo> yes, excellent 
<captdog> lol 
<captdog> disability in marrage 
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<camille> works for me suzze 
<Mooooooo> but, i would like to see more fun topics for a 
    while 
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<suzze> me too 
<Mooooooo> Funny Questions and Comments was also great 
<captdog> If both spouses are non AB does it work out 
    better 
<Mooooooo> there is nothing wrong with rehashing old 
    material 
<Libby^3> True, Mooo. 
<Mooooooo> do many of you go back and read old meeting 
    logs? 
<suzze> tips on how to romance on irc 
<suzze> i have 
<Libby^3> I do, Moo 
<Mooooooo> romance was the most popular 
<woz> i go from time to time 
<woz> romance not my specialty 
<Mooooooo> unfortunatly, the first 10 meetings we had are 
    gone 
<Mooooooo> any others you can think of? 
<Kark> whatcha mean Moooooo 
<Mooooooo> laura wanted to do another 
    what wheelchairs are good for 
<Mooooooo> meeting topics, karen 
<suzze> i read that one, lol 
<suzze> was funny 
<Kark> upcoming ones? 
<Mooooooo> more fun and informative meetings 
<Mooooooo> yes 
<Beat> I think there more of risk with two disable Ppl, 
    just that extra pressure that placed on the dis couppleds 
<Mooooooo> we have no topics scheduled and im looking for 
    ideas 
<Kark> oh 
<Libby^3> I disagree, Beat. I wouldnt trade my gimp guy up 
    for any AB-no way 
<Mooooooo> jude has done a great job but she needs a 
    break 
<captdog> Beat ,look at it from a more equal, level when 
    both lovers ,mates are dis. 
<Mooooooo> i agree, capt 
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<captdog> But this is the exception not the rule? Anyone 
    have some data? 
<Mooooooo> well, not specific 
<Mooooooo> but... 
<Mooooooo> matched couples tend to stay together 
<Mooooooo> opposite attact, but similar stays 
<captdog> Dan you are an observer of commo,and a thinker. 
<captdog> communication 
<Mooooooo> commo? 
<Mooooooo> thank you 
<Beat> Yes I agree as long as the exra strain Dos'nt get 
    on top of you. I i would not marry and able body perso 
<Mooooooo> i say a long time ago i would not marry a 
    non-disabled woman 
<suzze> i couldn't even think about those things 
<suzze> would/wouldn't 
<suzze> hmmm 
<camille> hey love my able bodied hubby 
<Mooooooo> would not 
<suzze> i mean, you have all made that decision already? 
<captdog> We have our own beliefs that will sustain us or 
    do us in. The love or lack of love. 
<suzze> that hasn't really been made for me 
<Mooooooo> i made it a few years ago 
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<Mooooooo> i think it all depends on the disability, sue 
<Kark> hi anny 
<captdog> true 
<Mooooooo> hi anny 
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<anny1> hello 
<anny1> what depends on dis moooooo? 
<camille> it depends on the person also 
<Mooooooo> about choosing to only marry a 
    disabled/non-disabled person 
<Mooooooo> being that i am outwardly disabled, i want a 
    similar mate 
<captdog> Sounds logical 
<Mooooooo> because when it comes to personality and 
    sexuality, there would be more of a bond 
<Mooooooo> because of understanding eachothers needs 
<woz> rofl 
<woz> oops 
<captdog> A person who already understands many technics? 
<woz> sorry 
<Mooooooo> np max 
<Beat> Yes each case is very driffent, It depends on your 
    own attiudes to life I feel 
<Mooooooo> just a person who understands 
<woz> think dans view has merrits 
<captdog> Agreed 
<camille> yes beat 
<woz> did understands dis 
<suzze> i am open to anyone, ANYONE 
<suzze> at all 
<suzze> lol 
<camille> go for it suze 
<suzze> except for freaks 
<Mooooooo> woohoo sue 
<Mooooooo> lol 
<Beat> Is Sex the be all and end all of Life? 
<Mooooooo> no freaks, geeks, or creeps? 
<camille> not beat 
<suzze> right!!! 
<camille> but it helps lol 
<Mooooooo> no, but sex is very important to a healthy 
    marriage 
<anny1> there are many factors that affect how one chooses 
    a mate 
<captdog> Hey whatever floats your boat.LOL 
<Beat> Is that why we get married 
<Mooooooo> communication is more important 
<atrpilot> i would marry an old bag that was ugly an not 
    handycapped if she had lots of money!!!!! 
<Mooooooo> but sex is necessary 
<woz> rofl 
<camille> lol pilot you lost out 
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<atrpilot> yes mooooooo 
<Mooooooo> we get married for companionship 
<captdog> Atrpilot ,a man of true meanings, deep bro. 
<Mooooooo> hello mom 
<mom> hi mooooooo 
<Mooooooo> which is communication and physical affection 
<camille> pilot is deep in you no what with wife if she 
    sees that 
<suzze> i'm in need of some of that 
<woz> communication is the key to the whole darn thing 
<mom> fill me in... 
<captdog> lol 
<Beat> But Ok what if you did'nt know until after you 
    where married that sex was not possible how would you 
    cope? 
<camille> yes is mooo 
<suzze> have no idea beat 
<woz> open chat mom 
<suzze> but, i would want to have sex with my husband 
<Mooooooo> you would have to define what sex is 
<atrpilot> sex suzze?? 
<camille> exactly mooo 
<mom> food, sex, rock'n-roll... ;-) 
<Mooooooo> sex is a physical show of affection 
<captdog> communication is the major way to get out our 
    ideas and feelings that were lost or damaged. 
<anny1> sex is onlt part physical, the mental part is the 
    big deal 
<woz> hehe mom good 
<Mooooooo> but if you are speaking of sexual pleasure, even 
    quad's with no lower feeling can have an orgasm 
<camille> most of it is all mental 
<suzze> really? 
<suzze> wow 
<woz> shure is sue 
<mom> it always amazes me how much the mental part the 
    guys seem to miss out on because they appear to be more 
    visual than verbal 
<captdog> Not all guys are that way. 
<woz> sex is natural if practicle but you can live without 
    it 
<mom> or, maybe it's leaving us the short end ... 
<Mooooooo> yes, with sex therapy specifically for sci's 
<mom> that is a definite woz!! 
<mom> (sci...?) 
<Mooooooo> spinal cord injury 
<woz> hehe thanks for the backing 
<captdog> Sci , lost but not totaled 
<mom> k 
<Beat> You can still have a good marrige there are other 
    ways of showing your love 
<anny1> i saw a viagra commercial with aguy in wheelchair, 
    i was pleased to see that 
<atrpilot> your right cami i aint had an orgasm in 23 
    yrs. an aint dead yet 
<camille> lol 
<mom> sometimes the fear in causing injury sets mates off 
    course 
<woz> hehe viagras gives me a head ache 
<mom> heh 
<mom> lol 
<camille> you sure it was your head mwoz 
<Mooooooo> does it raise blood pressure, max? 
<woz> didnt hel at all 
<woz> help 
<woz> big joke 
<suzze> i heard on tv that they r coming up with a new 
    viagra that doesn't have headache side affect 
<captdog> I read some medical mag. that a spouse that gets 
    hurt quad para and is married at the time , will lose 
    their mate within a 3 to 5 year period. 
<woz> its all in the thinking 
<anny1> ha sent the blod in wrong direction i guess 
<Mooooooo> thats probably accurate, capt 
<woz> hehe anny 
<captdog> It is in my case 
<mom> ooooooooh, anny LOL 
<atrpilot> DR. said viagra would not help sci 
<camille> guess pilot and I were not in the survey 
<Mooooooo> but, im not sure its all the able-bodied persons 
    fault 
<suzze> do u mean through death or divorce? 
<mom> depends on reason for lowering of flag... 
<captdog> divorce 
<camille> that is right mooo 
<suzze> is it that common? 
<Beat> But That where you guys have it all over us born 
    with a disabilty 
<Beat> There is just Notting out there, for us! 
<Mooooooo> new quads tend to be pissed at the world and i 
    can see how someone can get fed up 
<Mooooooo> any new injury, actually 
<anny1> it is stuff like that that makes me angry capt, 
    when information like that is out there that is what ppl 
    expect will happen 
<captdog> that is when it starts 
<mom> unfortunately, the stats show patterns 
<Mooooooo> ive seen a lot of it in the channel 
<captdog> Reports to be read or just filed away, for a 
    rainy day. 
<camille> that swhen the counceling should come in 
<captdog> councle from a peer. 
<Mooooooo> agreed 
<camille> yes someone who knows 
<Mooooooo> and is already over it 
<captdog> AB councelors try but miss the mark. 
<suzze> i'm sorry to say, that i feel very ignorant about 
    a lot of this 
<camille> yes they do 
<mom> could be they only have book-answers 
<Mooooooo> its okay sue 
<suzze> as i am not sci, and don't know any other than 
    on the channel 
<captdog> stay lucky suzze 
<Mooooooo> im glad you're here, dear :o) 
<Beat> Do you Feel that may of been expioting that guy in 
    the wheel chair Anny? 
<woz> ditto 
<Mooooooo> if need be, i'll send you an Honorary Gimp 
    button like I gave Mimi 
<suzze> :o) 
<captdog> I havn't seen any wheelchair porn. See what I 
    mean. 
<atrpilot> suzze knows lots of things moooooo 
<woz> too much hype and balonie about sex 
<Mooooooo> I have 
<anny1> i not sci but can know how utterly pissed i would 
    be if my body suddenly changed and i had to change the 
    way i thought of my self and life 
<Beat> Yes Well its very very hard to come terms with 
<Mooooooo> quite accidental 
<suzze> u saw w/c porn?? 
<suzze> omg 
<mom> i deal with situations where the difference between 
    success and failure is being able to identify the 
    differences between book-answers, right-answers, and workable 
    answers 
<anny1> oops 
<Mooooooo> yes, it was on some devotee website 
<camille> common sence is best MOM 
<Mooooooo> i was disgusted 
<mom> most counselors i've dealt with dont seem to 
    understand that there is a difference 
<anny1> were you talking about the viagra commercial beat, 
    if so no 
<woz> porn isnt a spectator sport 
<camille> seen one porn seen them all 
<captdog> voyour 
<camille> lol 
<captdog> lol 
<Mooooooo> it was meant as a freak show 
<suzze> that's horrible 
<atrpilot> anny good point and you just got to live with 
    it 
<captdog> That was wrong, wrong 
<Beat> Yes Even when you are Disabled and its get worst 
    it still is very hard! 
<captdog> No class act 
<mom> voyeur 
<anny1> true beat 
<woz> mom anny 
<Mooooooo> but there are lighter sides of being disabled 
<Mooooooo> great parking 
<anny1> i have seen a site with nude girls with crutches 
    and braces it was very wierd 
<suzze> LOL 
<suzze> i love my disabled license plates!!!! 
<Mooooooo> its a fine line, anny 
<camille> ppl move out of way fast when they see u coming 
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<woz> ituitive thinking is better than all the books in 
    the world 
<anny1> hey i like that woz 
<camille> runing over toes does hut -them 
<Mooooooo> because disabled people can be quite sexy, but 
    porn just flat sucks 
<camille> hurt 
<Kark> nse plates!!!! 
<Kark> <Mooooooo> its a fine line, anny 
<Kark> <camille> ppl move out of way fast when they see u 
    coming 
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<Kark> <woz> ituitive thinking is better than all the books 
    in the world 
<Kark> oops 
<Kark> how did i do that 
<suzze> lol 
<camille> where that come from kark 
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<captdog> going back to other room 
<Kark> i leaned on the mouse 
<Mooooooo> aww 
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<woz> poor mouse 
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<mom> lol 
<Kark> lol 
<Mooooooo> i knew someone from here who's husband took porn 
    pictures of her 
<Mooooooo> it was said 
<mom> essence of flat-mouse hehe 
<suzze> yikes 
<Beat> I would dare to go one step futher to its harded 
    in way that peolpe see that you disabled therefore what 
    does it matter if you are geting worse you should be able 
    to cope with it 
<anny1> ewwwwwww 
<camille> bummer beat 
<woz> moo please clarify the statement 
<Beat> with out any help 
<Mooooooo> what do you mean, max? 
<mom> beat, i would venture to say that part of the 
    problem is when a couple undergoes trauma (dis) 
<Kark> backs bothering me, gotta go, good night all 
<Mooooooo> nite karen 
<mom> nite kark 
<woz> bye karen 
<camille> bye kark 
<Kark> :) 
<Beat> nite karen 
<mom> it affects both, not just one with dis to the 
    extent of didn't sign on for this routine 
<anny1> bye karen 
<Beat> bye Kark 
<atrpilot> bye kark 
<woz> most ppl know i am a photographer 
<Mooooooo> i think so, mom 
<woz> for the record dan is referencing someon besides me 
<camille> but you make ppl look good woz lol 
<mom> and can't cope with the extreme stress & adjustments 
<Mooooooo> its just too drastic for some 
<mom> (woz, we wouldn't think of you that way... hehe) 
<suzze> max, your wife is not disabled 
<suzze> i didnt think it was you 
<woz> rofl 
<woz> thats true 
<anny1> me either woz 
<Mooooooo> i wouldnt think that of you, max 
<atrpilot> me either woz 
<Beat> I feel stress play a big part in the way you 
    cope! 
<woz> qand yes i have done nudes and do them quite good 
<camille> yes does beat 
<suzze> i have to go 
<suzze> bbl 
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<woz> not as easy as one might think 
<woz> bye sue 
<atrpilot> she would have beat the stuffings out of you 
<camille> bye suze 
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<woz> hope i did not offend anyone 
<Mooooooo> nope 
<mom> (well, woz, quite well) and newly dis-people tend to 
    have / exude magnified stress levels... and mates are 
    having enough trouble coping with their own. 
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<mom> not me... 
<Mooooooo> i see the difference between nudity and 
    pornography 
<woz> thanks all 
<mom> pornography is gross. nudity is neat & to appreciate 
    it you are proving you're not dead yet. 
<Mooooooo> that about sums it up 
<mom> where's WW moooo? 
<woz> think this was a good meeting 
<Mooooooo> she's not feeling well today 
<woz> very open 
<Mooooooo> yes, i do too :o) 
<mom> sorry to hear 
<mom> yeh, glad i remembered it was wednesday!! 
<woz> i appreciate openness 
<Beat> It How we deal with our stress levels, Because they 
    effect our Dis. 
<Mooooooo> i think beat is very lagged 
<Beat> Yes I feel they are very good 
<mom> the orientals approach life as balance. when one is 
    off , is struggle to regain balance. 
<woz> have a good eve all 
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<anny1> see ya in disabled 
<mom> goin back guys... bye 
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