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Participants:
  Disabled- (disabled@trantor.student.utwente.nl)
  Red_
  Windrift
  ChanServ (nanook@eskimo.com)
  DopeHat (khodgdon@ionet.net)
  HelloKit (carlym@u.washington.edu)
  AmyWonder (Enepon@mail.earthlink.net)
  Mimi_ (mimi@lino.com)
  Mooooooo (dse@pacific.net)
  Disabled (disabled@trantor.student.utwente.nl)
  Mooooooo via Telnet (dse@pacific.net)
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<Mimi_> NOT 
<Mooooooo> Carly, I started the log/ 
<HelloKit> Okay thanks... 
<Mimi_> yeah, Tracy, summer's about over here 
<HelloKit> SO ARE WE READY TO START? 
<Mimi_> yes :o) 
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<Red_> sounds like it 
* DopeHat slaps ChanServ around a bit with Mr. Limpit. 
<AmyWonder> yeas 
<Red_> ok 
<AmyWonder> I mean, yes 
<HelloKit> OKAY, IN MY E-MAIL SUNDAY I ASKED EVERYONE TO 
    COME UP WITH SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THINGS THEY'VE HAD 
    TROUBLE WITH, SO THAT MAYBE WE COULD SHARE SOME TRICKS 
    WITH EACH OTHER... 
<HelloKit> DID ANYONE COME UP WITH ANYTHING? 
<Mooooooo> I have trouble turning my head far when driving 
<Red_> I need help stretching my hamstring 
<Mooooooo> So I have a full length rearview mirror 
<HelloKit> Tracy, do you have some kind of step or block 
    of wood about 2 - 3 inches high? 
<Mimi_> full length? the full length of what? 
<Red_> I could come up w/something 
<HelloKit> I usually stand leaning on something, put the 
    front of my foot on a step, and push my heel down. 
<Mooooooo> instead of a 12' mirroe, it goes all the way 
    across the front of the car 
<Mooooooo> er screen 
<Mimi_> hey, that's cool...no blind spots? 
<Red_> I'll try it 
<Red_> thanks 
<Mooooooo> nope 
<Mimi_> sounds like a good idea for anyone :o) 
<Red_> but my ackles are fused 
<HelloKit> Hmm... it may not work then. 
<HelloKit> MOOOOOOO, DO YOU USE ANY OTHER DRIVING 
    ADAPTATIONS? 
<Mooooooo> Nope, just the mirrow 
<Mooooooo> mirror 
* HelloKit nods. 
<HelloKit> OKAY, I HAVE A PUZZLE FOR YOU GUYS... 
<Red_> I use tools to dress...ie...socks, shoes, etc 
<Red_> also for clipping toe nails 
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<DopeHat> ok carly 
<Mimi_> Hello capwriter :o) 
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<Mimi_> heya Han! :o) 
<HelloKit> I LIKE TO WALK TO STAY IN SHAPE, BUT BECAUSE I 
    WALK UP ON THE BALLS OF MY FEET, I ALWAYS END UP WITH 
    PAINFUL BLISTERS ON MY FEET AFTER WALKING... 
<HelloKit> AND THEN CAN'T WALK AGAIN FOR ABOUT A WEEK. 
<capwriter> hi, mimi. how's it going? 
<Mimi_> fine, thanks, and you? 
<Red_> bummer Carly 
<Red_> walk shorter distance more often 
<DopeHat> is that with shoes 
<Mooooooo> Carly, here is what you do 
<capwriter> Okay, but broiling in a heat wave in L.A. 
<Lao-tzu> hi ya'll (again, ...Moo tells me i'm a laggard 
    :-) 
<HelloKit> WITH TENNIS SHOES AND SOCKS. 
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<Mooooooo> Put on 2 pairs of socks, one thin one inside 
    and one thicker one outside 
<gimp1> hi 
<Mooooooo> this will help keep from getting blisters 
<Lao-tzu> hi again gimp 
<Mimi_> try some 'Second Skin' Carly 
<Red_> gimp1, I like you name 
<Mimi_> heya gimp1 :o) 
<capwriter> welcome, gimp1. 
<AmyWonder> sit ups legg streachs, instead of walking 
<gimp1> we all here now and not lagged? 
<HelloKit> Cool, I'll try that. 
<Mooooooo> yep :o) 
<gimp1> / 
<Mooooooo> Carly, this is what we hikers do :o) 
<HelloKit> LOL 
<Mooooooo> the idea is that the two pairs of socks do all 
    the rubbing and then your skin doesnt 
* HelloKit nods. 
<HelloKit> That makes sense. 
<gimp1> what's everyones disability? 
<Mimi_> also baby powder or corn starch on your feet, to 
    reduce friction 
* Mimi_ has epilepsy 
* HelloKit has arthrogryposis multiplex congenita... AMC is 
    a condition characterized by multiple joint contractures at 
    birth. More info: http://www.sonnet.com/avenues/ 
<Mooooooo> corn starch will feed the fungus on your feet 
* Lao-tzu is a T6 para 
<Mooooooo> not good 
<Red_> lol, Carly do you have that memorized or what? 
<HelloKit> LOL, I don't need that... that's for sure. 
<Mimi_> it will? I use it on my baby 
* Mooooooo has (see Carly's) 
* DopeHat has MD 
<HelloKit> It's a script, Tracy. 
<capwriter> I have CP with a speech and gait problems. 
<Red_> I also have AMC 
<HelloKit> SO, MORE CHALLENGES, ANYONE? 
<gimp1> i have severe cp 
<Windrift> I have SB 
<Mooooooo> I find that hiking poles also help with hiking 
<Red_> sb? 
<gimp1> incontinence 
* HelloKit can't hold onto sticks or canes or anything 
    like that... 
<Windrift> Spina Bifida 
<Red_> oh ok 
<HelloKit> Gonna be fun when I'm old... 
<Red_> lol 
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<AmyWonder> cp 
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<HelloKit> DOES SOMEONE HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? 
<Lao-tzu> gimp, you have a SCI? 
<gimp1> cerebral palsy and spinal stinosis 
<Lao-tzu> I'm asking because of incontinence = neurogenic 
    bladder & bowel in my case 
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<mon_ange> there i finally found you guys 
<AmyWonder> how do you locck an unlock a deadblot 
<HelloKit> I use my teeth, Amy. 
<DopeHat> careful 
<Mimi_> heya Angel :o) 
<mon_ange> hey mimi hows it going? 
<Mimi_> great, and you? 
<mon_ange> great 
<DopeHat> thats nuts 
<mon_ange> i tried like two different newnet servers and i 
    still couldnt get here but i remembered this server so i 
    tried it and it finally worked 
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<Mimi_> we're glad you made it Angel :o) 
<mon_ange> thanks 
<mon_ange> im glad i made it too 
<DopeHat> i know some tips about win95 
<Mimi_> cool, Keith, let us have it :o) 
<AmyWonder> do you use an adaptive device to hold the key 
<HelloKit> Amy do you have Win 95? 
<DopeHat> its in accessability options 
<AmyWonder> nope. a power mac 
<DopeHat> one is sticky keys 
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<Mimi_> Hello Maya :o) 
<Lao-tzu> hi maya 
<HelloKit> Maya, watch... 
<Maya> hihi 
<Maya> yeah, hang on :) 
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<HelloKit> Oh sure, now it won't do it... LOL 
<mon_ange> doesnt it figure? lol 
<DopeHat> it locks alt, shift, or ctrl 
<Maya> Mooooooooooooo 
<Maya> good news babes 
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<Maya> Mooooooooooooo 
<Maya> good news babes 
<HelloKit> Maybe it's straightened out? 
<Maya> chelms is being cranky today 
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<Maya> Mooo 
<Maya> could you do what you needed to do by ftp? 
<DopeHat> so you just push it once and not hold it 
<Red_> K4babes? 
<gimp1> anyone going to an ability expo 
<HelloKit> gimp1: I've always wanted to... 
<HelloKit> Don't have the time or the money though. 
<Mimi_> does it unlock after you push one key, Keith? 
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<Mooooooo> Maya? You see my /msg? 
<Maya> yeah 
<DopeHat> yes 
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<Mimi_> I'm going to try it, too 
<Mimi_> Jeff! 
<Mimi_> welcome, Jeff :o) 
<DopeHat> push twice it stays on 
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<HelloKit> Push a third time and it turns off again. 
<DopeHat> push again to take it off 
<Mimi_> sounds like it would work well just for bad 
    typers, like me :o) 
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<HelloKit> Oh boy, we're not having a good evening... 
<gimp1> im gone the one in washington 
<Mimi_> yeah, Carly, what a day to have all this happen 
<AmyWonder> when 
<HelloKit> WELL, SHALL I TRY ANOTHER OF MY QUESTIONS? 
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<Mimi_> yes Carly :o) 
<DopeHat> theres filter keys 
<Mimi_> what does that do Keith? 
<DopeHat> never used it 
<Mimi_> ok *LOL* 
<DopeHat> but i'll tell ya 
<HelloKit> OKAY. I FINALLY FOUND A BIKE I CAN RIDE. IT'S 
    CALLED STEP 'N GO, AND RATHER THAN PEDALLING IN A CIRCLE 
    YOU STEP UP AND DOWN. 
<Red_> K4cool 
<Red_> k4I mean...Cool 
<Red_> cool 
<gimp1> sept 14-16 
<HelloKit> THE ONLY PROBLEM IS, THE BASIC BIKE WITHOUT ANY 
    ADD-ON'S IS $1100. 
<Mimi_> whoa! 
<HelloKit> ANY IDEAS ON HOW I CAN RAISE MONEY FOR THIS? 
<Mimi_> gotta sell more computers Carly :o) 
<HelloKit> LOL 
<Red_> I hate the fact that money is such an issue 
<Mooooooo> job :o) 
<DopeHat> ignore breif or repeated keystrokes 
<Maya> ok :) 
<Mimi_> that's good too :o) 
<DopeHat> togglekeys 
<HelloKit> I know Daniel, but that's going toward an 
    apartment. I want to raise this separately. 
<AmyWonder> A car wash 
<Mooooooo> 2 jobs? :o) 
<HelloKit> LOL... Can we say, 'Dead Carly'? 
<DopeHat> tones when pressing capslock, numlock, and scroll 
    lock 
<Red_> Here in CA., we go out w/a sign saying, 'I need 
    money' 
<HelloKit> ROFL 
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<HelloKit> I should try that... j/k 
<Red_> what is ROFL? 
<DopeHat> mimi go to control panel 
<HelloKit> rolling on floor laughing 
<Mimi_> rolling on the floor laughing 
<Mimi_> jinx! 
<Mimi_> that's two you owe me junior 
<HelloKit> Aaaaaargghhh!!!!!!! 
* HelloKit slaps Mimi_ around a bit with a ripe catfish. 
<Red_> now girls! 
* Mimi_ slaps HelloKit around a bit with a can of tuna. 
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<Mimi_> what do you want me to do in the control panel, 
    Keith? 
<Mimi_> wb Jeff! :o) 
<HelloKit> SOMEONE ELSE WANT TO ASK A QUESTION? 
<Pyro> wb? 
<capwriter> ouch! That mimi's a violent one. 
* Mimi_ hands Carly a bandaid *grin* 
<DopeHat> look at accessability options 
<HelloKit> OR NOT? 
<Mooooooo> i didnt come up with any 
<Pyro> why are you typing in purple? 
<HelloKit> To stand out when asking questions, Jeff. 
<Mooooooo> she has a bruise :o) 
<HelloKit> Sort of a moderator's microphone... :o) 
<HelloKit> :oP Mooooooo 
<Pyro> welp i can't see it unforunately 
<HelloKit> Then how did you know it was purple? 
<Mimi_> I have to restart the computer to do it, so I'll 
    wait until after the meeting and then try it 
<Pyro> i had to telnet to this account to get on here 
<Pyro> it's barely legible 
<HelloKit> Ahhh... 
<Lao-tzu> Mimi, you should change your page to show the 
    map of Quebec where you live, not the gov't page ;-) 
<HelloKit> Is there a better color? 
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<Red_> red is bright 
<Mimi_> *LOL* Han you're absolutely right, I should :o) 
<Mimi_> I got lazy :o) 
<Lao-tzu> Gorgeous flowers though! 
<Pyro> nope still to damn unreadable 
<HelloKit> How about this purple? 
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<Mimi_> Daniel did you see that??? <Lao-tzu> Gorgeous 
    flowers though! 
<Mooooooo> Hiya Skya 
<Sky-Away> Hi Mimi 
<Sky-Away> Hi Moooooooo 
<Red_> I love the flowers too 
<Mimi_> Hey Sky!! :o) 
<Mooooooo> Did I see what? 
<Sky-Away> MAYA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
<Lao-tzu> HelloKit: ....haaaze 
<Mimi_> everyone loves the flowers you sent me, Daniel :o) 
<Mimi_> thanks guys, they were from Mooooooo 
<Mooooooo> oh! 
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<gimp1> nite 
<HelloKit> Jeff? 
<Mooooooo> see ya gimp1! 
<mon_ange> well all i gotta get going. my brother and 
    sister-in-law are gonna be here soon....although they were 
    supposed to be here 3 hours ago. 
<Mimi_> g'night, gimp1 :o) 
<Pyro> yeah? 
<Mimi_> hurry back Angel! :o) 
<Red_> nite 
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<HelloKit> How about this purple? 
<Sky-Away> ill bb 
<mon_ange> i'll try to come back tomorrow nite 
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<Mooooooo> bye Angel!!! 
* Mooooooo dips mon_ange and gives her tender smoochies! 
<mon_ange> no guarantees 
<mon_ange> awww 
<mon_ange> nite nite 
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<Mimi_> that's better Carly 
<HelloKit> READY FOR ANOTHER ONE OF MY QUESTIONS? 
<AmyWonder> you kiss everybody moo! 
<Mimi_> go for it Carly 
<Red_> go Carly 
<Lao-tzu> HelloKit: with that purple it'll stay haaazzY 
<Mooooooo> Yep!!! 
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* Mooooooo dips Amy and gives her tender smoochies! 
<Mooooooo> too 
<AmyWonder> kis kiss back 
<HelloKit> OKAY... CHRIS AND I GET BORED A LOT JUST 
    HANGING AROUND AT HOME ALL DAY. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY 
    MONEY TO WASTE, AND IT SEEMS THAT EVERYTHING THERE IS TO 
    DO AROUND HERE THAT DOESN'T COST MONEY... I CAN'T DO. 
<Mooooooo> woohoo 
<Mooooooo> Carly, go back to the old purple 
<HelloKit> WHAT DO YOU DO TO GET AWAY, ESPECIALLY IN THE 
    SUMMER? 
<Mimi_> Carly, get married *big grin* 
<Maya> Hello: get some fish :) 
<Mooooooo> lol 
* Maya lubs watching her fishies 
<HelloKit> LOL 
<Red_> read 
<Mooooooo> Yeah Carly, thats good for 10 hours a day 
<Red_> you better get married! 
<Mooooooo> I go hiking 
<HelloKit> WELL, I'M LOOKING MORE FOR THINGS WE CAN DO 
    TOGETHER. 
<Red_> swim? 
<Pyro> kit: you don't want my opinion :P~ 
<Mooooooo> Necking is fun 
<HelloKit> WE SPEND ALL DAY DOING OUR SEPARATE THINGS, AND 
    SOMETIMES WE GET IN BIG ARGUMENTS OVER IT. 
<HelloKit> LOL 
<AmyWonder> music. dancing in the ac 
<Mimi_> *l* 
* DopeHat won't say 
<Mimi_> I think we have a consensus, Carly :o) 
<Red_> take up drinking? 
<Red_> lol 
<HelloKit> LOL 
<Mimi_> too expensive 
<Pyro> it just involves getting neked :P 
<Mooooooo> Card games 
<Mooooooo> trips to the park 
<HelloKit> Heh... no place to go skinny dipping around 
    here. 
<HelloKit> Chris detests card games and board games. 
<Red_> put photo album together 
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<HelloKit> He won't play them no matter how much I beg 
    and plead. 
<Pyro> kit: hrm think about that, i'm a guy, and i said 
    it involves getting neked... think abpit that.. 
<Pyro> abpit = about 
<HelloKit> I know Pyro... 
<DopeHat> three letter word starts with s.. 
<Red_> daaaaa 
<Mimi_> she knows guys! sheesh! 
<HelloKit> I know what you mean, I'm just not going to 
    grace it with acknowledgement. 
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* Mimi_ slaps Pyro around a bit with a bowl of jello. 
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<Upsilon> heylo 
<Mimi_> that;s why I said 'get married!' DUH! 
<Mooooooo> What about giving time to charity? 
<DopeHat> hey i didn't say 
<Red_> these guys are a little slow 
<Mimi_> heya Upsilon!!!! 
<Upsilon> mooooooooooooooooooooo]]]]]]]]]]]]] 
<HelloKit> There isn't anything in Hoodyville, Mooooooo. 
<Mooooooo> heya ups :o) 
<Upsilon> hey there mimi 
<Lao-tzu> hi upsi 
<Mimi_> no kidding Tracy...sheesh :o) 
<Upsilon> hi carly 
<Mimi_> gotta love em though :o) 
<Red_> move Carly! 
<Upsilon> long time no type 
<DopeHat> you better 
<HelloKit> I can't move!!! 
<Red_> I do Mimi, but sometimes... 
<HelloKit> I wish I could, believe me... 
<Mimi_> yeah, sometimes... 
<Red_> why not? 
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<HelloKit> No money. 
<HelloKit> Stuck at home still. 
<Red_> there's that M word again! 
<HelloKit> See? 
<Upsilon> money? whats that? 
<Upsilon> 8P 
* Mimi_ has that problem too 
<Lao-tzu> you can always assign the french meaning to it 
    -- Me*rd* 
<Red_> save...big time 
<DopeHat> theres not a damn thing to do here either 
<Red_> borrow money! 
<Mooooooo> yeah! 
<Mooooooo> borrow 
<Mimi_> or steal *grin* 
<Red_> ok, steal 
<Lao-tzu> keep the economy growing 
<Mimi_> j/k :o) 
<Red_> lol 
<Upsilon> brb 
<Mooooooo> stimulate the economy by maxing out Visa/MC 
<Red_> the American way! 
<Mimi_> yes! 
<Mimi_> the Canadian way too! 
<Lao-tzu> then go chapter 11? 
<HelloKit> LOL... Chris has done plenty of that. 
<Mimi_> perfect, we have your answer Carly :o) 
<Red_> don't you have any income? 
<Upsilon> Warning ups is back 
<AmyWonder> how abouut taking drives just around town? 
<DopeHat> go to school 
<Mimi_> Carly, how about getting more active in web 
    development? 
<Mimi_> wb Ups :o) 
<HelloKit> Working on it... 
<Lao-tzu> Lazarus Long said 'in life take big bytes, 
    moderation is for monks!' 
<Mooooooo> lol 
<Upsilon> lol 
<Red_> what about SSDI? 
<Mimi_> BRB 
<HelloKit> Begins in Sep., Tracy. 
<Upsilon> ssdi is barely anything red 
<Red_> great! 
<Red_> depends of course on resent income 
<Red_> I do pretty good 
<HelloKit> $485/month for me 
<Red_> also houseing is available 
<HelloKit> Yup, looking into HUD. 
<Red_> I live in a nice building...$200 a month 
<Upsilon> i'm living in a HUD apartment right now 
<Upsilon> its an independent living situation 
<Red_> it would be lower for you 
<Red_> mine too 
<Mooooooo> um whats SSDI? 
<Red_> social security disability insurance 
<Mooooooo> ah, ok 
<DopeHat> thats if you worked 
<Maya> hmmm 
* HelloKit is actually getting SSI 
<Maya> thought that was short for Not Enough 
<DopeHat> if not ssi 
<Mooooooo> lol 
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<Red_> lol 
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<Lao-tzu> sounds technical to me 
<HelloKit> And I in no way intend to use it forever. I'm 
    gonna get out on my own, get a van and learn how to 
    drive so I can get a decent job. 
<HelloKit> No one around here will hire someone who doesn't 
    drive. 
<Upsilon> well folks gotta go, take care 
<Red_> good for you Carly, you can do it 
<Upsilon> C U 
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<Lao-tzu> bye upsi 
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<AmyWonder> good, caryl 
<Mooooooo> wb cap 
<AmyWonder> Ii gotta go 
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