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<Lonewolf> Good evening 
<Woz> hehe 
<MsAmazin> hi :) 
<Mooooooo> hi :o) 
<Angel_27> hi :) 
<Lonewolf> Tonight we are going to compare living in the 
    cpountry to living in the city 
<Lonewolf> country even 
<Lonewolf> ok how many of you are city dwellers? 
<Woz> city now 
<Angel_27> I live in city but wish country 
<MsAmazin> small town 
<Mooooooo> i live in the big city 
<Lonewolf> gee I have to represent rural america 
<Mooooooo> from small town though 
<Lonewolf> IC 
<MsAmazin> I'm rural 
<Woz> ditto was raised on farm 
<Lonewolf> what got this started was an issue of available 
    services 
<Lonewolf> versus peace and tranquility 
<MsAmazin> heh..what available services? 
<Lonewolf> none? 
<MsAmazin> next to nil 
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<Mooooooo> peace and tranquility are where you find it 
<Angel_27> i wish I lived in country but not so far out 
    it takes me an hour to get to store 
<Lonewolf> ok what about handicapped travel vehichles 
<Lonewolf> forgot what they are called 
<MsAmazin> no bus service or taxi service 
<Lily> wheeltrans, here 
<Lonewolf> you might as well live in country denise 
<Lonewolf> yes 
<MsAmazin> lol..I know 
<Mooooooo> there are services here 
<MsAmazin> Reno has Citilift 
<Lonewolf> what was that other name for that type service 
    lil 
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<Lily> same here, but are unreliable, and u have to book 
    ahead 
<Lonewolf> TJ we are comparing country vs city living 
<Angel_27> same here 
<MsAmazin> Paratrans? 
<Lily> wheeltrans, in ont. 
<Lonewolf> yes that was it 
<Woz> mostof ca has something dont know abt the back 
    country 
<Lonewolf> how can you book ahead if its like for a doc's 
    appt for just getting sick? 
<T_J> Yes, I know. Heard it earlier tonight. 
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<Angel_27> if you dont bok the ones here , you dont ride 
<Lily> well, thats it, you cant 
<Lonewolf> do you pay? 
<MsAmazin> same as in Reno 
<Angel_27> yes $2 a trip 
<MsAmazin> Reno is $1 a trip 
<Lonewolf> wow 
<Lily> i think so, ive never used it 
<Angel_27> thats how my husband gets to work most of the 
    time 
<Lonewolf> will they take you anywhere? 
<Mooooooo> Laura has to book a day in advance 
<Woz> dis have discount pannual bus passes 
<Angel_27> but not after 6 pm or on Sundays 
<Lonewolf> goodness 
<Lonewolf> no ride to church huh? 
<Angel_27> not that way 
<MsAmazin> almost anywhere in Reno/Sparks area 
<Lonewolf> daniel have u ever lived in country? 
<Lily> ca is very adanced in its transit system, woz 
<Lonewolf> must be 
<Woz> also some spcl book ahead mini buss 
<Lily> is totally accessible 
<T_J> What tickets do you have to pay in advance? Bus? 
<Lonewolf> there is no peace like country peace 
<Angel_27> i agree 
<ROCK-> amen 
<Lonewolf> like a transit service TJ 
<Angel_27> thats why I said I wish I lived in country 
<Angel_27> cause where I live u hear sirens every 10 
    minutes 
<MsAmazin> I like living in a small town..but moving to 
    the city 
<Lily> hmmmmmmmmm, i like it here, is like a small town, 
    but near city 
<Angel_27> 2 minutes away from hospital 
<Woz> ca back countr is not what it was 
<T_J> Ok Lonewolf 
<Lonewolf> where I live there are no taxis no delivery etc 
<Lily> yes, thats an advantage, bev 
<Angel_27> yeah it is when I get sick, but other times 
    the sirens get on my nerves 
<Angel_27> i live right downtown 
<Lily> city noises:) 
<Lonewolf> I would never sleep 
<Lonewolf> be glued to windows too nosey 
<ROCK-> Out here we have rabbits,squirrel,and peace and 
    quiet 
<Angel_27> i have gotten used to it i guess 
<Lonewolf> same here 
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<Lonewolf> I have never lived in a big city 
<ROCK-> lonewolf you live in the city 
<Lonewolf> no i live wayyyyyyyyy out 
<Angel_27> oh yeah Im right down street from police station 
    too 
<ROCK-> good 
<Lonewolf> how do you stand it? 
<Lonewolf> the noise and all 
<Angel_27> i wouldnt want to take forever to get to 
    nearest neighbor or store though 
<smiley66> my city is over 100,000 
<MsAmazin> I live 74 miles from the city 
<Angel_27> i dont like it but im used to it i guess 
<Lonewolf> ic 
<Angel_27> i have been here 5 yrs 
<smiley66> i would love to live live in the country] 
<Lily> i find it handy to be able to walk to bank, etc. 
<Lonewolf> well disadvatages are the lack of services 
<smiley66> i live close to everything i need 
<ROCK-> me too 
<Lonewolf> me too 
<Angel_27> u live in country right rock? 
<Lonewolf> except for transportation etc 
<ROCK-> yep 
<Lonewolf> I can sit on porch in pjs 
<Angel_27> thats what I would like 
<ROCK-> oh,me too 
<Lily> i do that here:) 
<Lonewolf> lol 
<Lily> lots of trees 
<Lonewolf> my fav thing is to listen to birds first thing 
    in am etc 
<Lonewolf> look out window at night and see deer 
<Angel_27> that sounds nice 
<Woz> hehe bird call piped in 
<Lonewolf> it is 
<Lily> lol 
<Lonewolf> lol 
<Woz> outside speekers 
<Lonewolf> lol 
<Angel_27> lol 
<Lonewolf> BUT 
<Lily> lol 
<Lonewolf> I have to rely on relatives all the time 
<ROCK-> i have humming birds,plenty and about 20 cardinals 
<Lonewolf> yup me too rock 
<Angel_27> so do I lonewolf thats why I said I wouldnt 
    want to be too far out 
<Lonewolf> IC 
<Angel_27> but 1 minute from in laws is too close 
<Lily> actually, here too, plenty of foxes, too 
<Lonewolf> Have to admit it would be nice to call for my 
    own ride somewhere 
<Lonewolf> you must live in very special place lil 
<Lonewolf> have trouble getting help out here 
<ROCK-> I vedeoed them during migration,and there must have 
    been 200 humming birds 2ft. from me 
<Angel_27> wow rock 
<Lonewolf> sounds like best of both worlds 
<Lily> lots of ravines and parks 
<Lily> well, i think so 
<Lily> is an enclave within thec city 
<Lonewolf> daniel said earlier you can find peace and quiet 
    anywhere I disagree 
<Angel_27> i dis agree 
<Woz> so do i 
<Lily> 20 min by car, and youre downtown 
<Lonewolf> what do you all think? 
<Woz> yes 
<Lily> o, i agree with daniel 
<Lily> inner peace 
<ROCK-> yes,I've lived in SanAntonio for 7 years and i was 
    so happy to get in the country 
<Lonewolf> see I lived in a subdivision and stayed 
    constantly on edge 
<Woz> we had to make our own 
<MsAmazin> I also agree with Daniel 
<Lonewolf> I disagree 
<Woz> the garden pond 
<Lonewolf> part of my peace is not having kids run through 
    the yard 
<MsAmazin> some ppl can't be happy anywhere 
<Angel_27> its hard to find peace and quiet right downtown 
<Lonewolf> I'm happy here 
<Lily> true, ms 
<Woz> i also disagree 
<Lonewolf> hum 
<Lonewolf> what about noise and lights etc 
<MsAmazin> I wasn't questioning your happiness LW, I was 
    just agreeing with Daniel :) 
<Woz> privacy is on the wain here 
<Lonewolf> oh I know 
<Lonewolf> privacy is wonderful here 
<Lily> im beginning to put less stock in surroundings, more 
    in how i feel inside 
<Angel_27> no privacy here 
<Lonewolf> well yes 
<Lonewolf> BUT 
<Woz> noise is on increase 
<Lonewolf> lack of excessive noise etc helps 
<MsAmazin> If you've lived in the city all/most of your 
    life..I don't think lights/noise would bother you as much 
    as a 'country' person 
<Lily> true 
<Woz> very true 
<ROCK-> I agree 
<Lonewolf> cud be 
<Lily> you arec used to it 
<Lonewolf> I was raised in country 
<ROCK-> me too,picking cotton 
<Angel_27> i was raised in city but always loved to be at 
    my grandparents in country 
<Lonewolf> do any of you get groceries and stuff delivered 
<MsAmazin> that's something I will need to adjust to 
<Lily> i was raised 3 blocks from here 
<Lonewolf> what denise 
<MsAmazin> just pizza delivered 
<Lonewolf> not even that here 
<MsAmazin> getting used to living in the city 
<Lily> havent moved around much 
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<Lonewolf> ok 
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<Lonewolf> Pat and I realize the time will come when this 
    is impractical 
<Woz> hard to feel good on inside if outside is 
    aggrivating 
<Lily> o, yes, from local IGA 
<Lonewolf> that's the way I feel max 
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<Lily> i can walk to it, they deliver 
<Lonewolf> any other goodies I don't know about? 
<Lonewolf> I had problems getting home health to come out 
    here 
<Lily> well, my hairdresser isa block away, so is drugstore 
<Woz> am i in lag 
<Lonewolf> wow 
<Lonewolf> I could ride w/c that far 
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<Lonewolf> ok 
<Lily> and i can see the lake from my living room window 
<Lonewolf> suzze mentioned cultural activities 
<Lonewolf> such as theaters, museums etc 
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<Lonewolf> I have no access to those type things 
<MsAmazin> Reno, Carson City is an hour away for all that 
<Lonewolf> ok big question 
<Woz> true 
<Woz> the city grew up arround us 
<Woz> so we try and make a enviroment we feel good about 
<Lonewolf> how many of you prefer to be alone versus with 
    people 
<Angel_27> it depends on my mood 
<MsAmazin> I'm half and half 
<Lily> a combination, i think 
<Lonewolf> I'm a loner 
<Lonewolf> that lives in a crowd 
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<Lonewolf> lol 
<Lily> im agaraphobic, a bit 
<Lily> lol 
<Lonewolf> BUT 
<Lonewolf> simply cannot tolerate crowds, noise etc 
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<Lonewolf> dony we are comparing city to country 
<MsAmazin> no wonder you live in the country 
<Driveshaf> ok 
<Lonewolf> exactly why denise 
<Lonewolf> need quiet and calm 
<Lonewolf> all of you city dwellers-picture living in the 
    country 
<Lily> i like both worlds, love the far north, rugged 
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<Lonewolf> what would you miss the most 
<T_J> Hehe, I live in a town, close to the town centre 
    but also close to the country. =) 
<Lonewolf> anyone? 
<Mooooooo> i can survive in both 
<Lonewolf> small town TJ? 
<Lonewolf> ok-how much would country living effect your 
    Ability to do things you do now 
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<Lonewolf> anyone?? 
<Lonewolf> there she is 
<suzze> city is best place to live 
<T_J> Kind of. 
<MsAmazin> is not! 
<MsAmazin> lol 
<Lonewolf> hey suzze tell them what all you were telling 
    me the other day about city dwellers 
<Lily> lol 
<T_J> Depends on what city. 
<Lily> why, suzze? 
<Lonewolf> that's true was TJ 
<suzze> well, living in the city, more opportunities for 
    socialization, more programs offered through the city 
<Woz> dan has a point however you must surveive 
<suzze> more access 
<Lonewolf> true but at what level? 
<Lonewolf> I just thought of a pos example for the city 
<Woz> at a leval you can live with 
<Lonewolf> here they have a nice senior citizen center 
<MsAmazin> suzze, you've always lived in Chicago, right? 
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<suzze> for the most part 
<Lily> i think happiness more a people thing, then where 
    you live 
<Lonewolf> I would have no way to get there 
<suzze> 10 months in ca 
<suzze> sometime in suburbs of chicago 
<T_J> Likes one, where you can choose, not too far from 
    the countryside, but not too small either, so that you 
    donīt have the chance of finding what you need in it. 
<Lily> sounds ideal, t-j 
<Lonewolf> I miss the library 
<suzze> living in the city, i am close to everything, my 
    doctor is 10-15 minutes away, i can get downtown in less 
    than a half hour, 
<suzze> grocery stores, shopping everything is 5 min away 
<MsAmazin> well with the Internet you don't even need to 
    live in a city to get what you need 
<Lily> true, ms, internet changes a lot 
<Lonewolf> in thew town where I go to the doctor they 
    have shuttle buses from senior living facilities to doc 
    offices, shops, etc 
<Lonewolf> can't imagine suzze 
<Lonewolf> what about listening to the sounds of nature 
<suzze> living in the city, with everything so close by, 
    encourages me to leave my apt 
<Woz> i do believe city is better for many dis dependin 
    on finantual status 
<suzze> if things were further away...maybe would get out 
    less often 
<suzze> i need socializing, need to hang out w/friends, go 
    places, see things 
<Lonewolf> yes but I do so dread having to give up my 
    surroundings 
<Lonewolf> I don't though 
<suzze> i live two blocks from a park 
<suzze> that's scenery 
<Lonewolf> not the same suzze 
<MsAmazin> heh 
<Lonewolf> what about crime etc 
<suzze> crime is everywhere 
<suzze> country, city 
<Lily> crime? in canada?????? :)))) 
<Woz> city or country now 
<Lonewolf> we don't lock doors most of the time 
<Lily> true, suzze 
<Woz> hehe 
<T_J> Yes, donīt think I would like it, in a very large 
    city, but on the other hand, if I had to, I think I 
    could adept, to that too. The hardest I think is the 
    exhause fumes, from cars and so on. 
<Lonewolf> no crime in canafda? 
<T_J> Quite adeptible =) 
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<Lily> lol, well not as much 
<Lonewolf> yes TJ would hate that too 
<Lonewolf> why sis 
<Lily> but, we're catching up 
<Lonewolf> oh 
<Lily> i dont know, less violent society 
<suzze> most of my friends live in the same 5 mile area 
    as I, where i grew up, we have all stayed in this area 
    and that provides a great social circle for me, which is 
    so vital i think for disabled ppl 
<Lonewolf> either place you live you have to sacrifice 
    something unless you live with lily 
<Lily> i notice a big difference when i go to ca 
<Lonewolf> for some it is suzze 
<Lily> lol 
<Lonewolf> in what lily? 
<Woz> lily explain 
<suzze> that's true, i am single, though very close to my 
    family 
<Lonewolf> my family is too close 
<suzze> lol 
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<Lonewolf> i feel suffocated in the city 
<Lily> im always being told to be alert, hold my purse, 
    dont talk to straangers, etc. 
<Lonewolf> lil explain difference 
<Lonewolf> oh ok IC 
<Lonewolf> anny do u live in city or country 
<Lily> here, e never think of those things 
<Woz> think lily understands my point of viev 
<Lonewolf> me either 
<anny1> i live in mid size city 
<Lily> yup, woz 
<Lonewolf> yes I see both sides have advantages 
<Lonewolf> still dread moving to civilization 
<Lonewolf> we will when we need more assistance than we do 
    now 
<Lily> and yet, i still maintain that you can find inner 
    peace anywhere 
<Lonewolf> well does anyone have anything else? 
<Woz> wwe just try to carve out something we feel more 
    comfertable with 
<Lily> yes 
<ROCK-> go woz 
<Lonewolf> still think the peace out here is worth some 
    inconvenience 
<Lily> tailor your surroundings 
<Woz> as best you can 
<Lonewolf> ok I give 
<Lonewolf> lol 
<Lily> lol 
<Woz> hehe 
<suzze> it really does depend on your needs, i really need 
    to live in a big city 
<Lonewolf> well I'm pushing off for tonight 
<Woz> so some merit in what dan said 
<Lily> you stick to your guns, sis 
<suzze> would not survive otherwise 
<anny1> i know what you are talking about lw,i grew up in 
    a small town 
<T_J> I agree suzze. 
<Lonewolf> I feel same way about country 
<Woz> dito judi 
<Lily> ok, thx judi 
<Lily> :)) 
<Woz> if the shoe fits ware it 
<suzze> come visit me i'll show u what's so great about 
    the city!!! 
<Lonewolf> interesting but I still feel like when I move 
    to town I will be getting ready to die 
<Lonewolf> suzze would scare me silly 
<Lily> then, stay in country, sis 
<Lonewolf> thanks everyone for a good discussion 
<Lonewolf> enjoyed it 
<Woz> yep do what is best for you 
<Lily> its where your heart is 
<Lily> thank you:) 
<Lonewolf> if anyone has any meeting ideas please send them 
    to me 
<Lonewolf> yes it is sis 
<T_J> Ok 
<Lily> night all:) 
<Lonewolf> night 
<suzze> one last thing....CITY CITY CITY 
<suzze> lol 
<Lonewolf> lol 
<Lily> lol 
<Angel_27> lol 
<^^shaz^^> :) 
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<Woz> be good 
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