*** LOG OPENED: Wed Jun 18 18:02:26 1997 --- Participants: HandiBot (dse@pacific.net) {Tripod} Mooooooo (dse@pacific.net) ChanServ (nanook@eskimo.com) Mimi_ (mimi@lino.com) HelloKit (carlym@u.washington.edu) gordon4 Dster lotaca DopeHat (khodgdon@ionet.net) Wakko2 duckgirl Mooooooo via Telnet (dse@pacific.net) --- logging is on how's everyone tonight hey tripod 18:01 ok, Im ready :o) logging is on? Is that like big brother watching? I R LOL You guys think I should ask questions in all caps so people see them? whatever you say is recorded for all eternity from now on LOL Dster good idea, Carly excellent idea Or I could do bold, but not all programs can see that... WHAT EVER WORKS i'll just turn my volume down <{Tripod}> hehehe Questions? Nobody told me there going to be a test! lol <{Tripod}> a quiz! * Dster looking at mimi's paper. READY TO START? yep ok tes what pencils ready! yes * Mooooooo is ready to rumble! wait, I broke my eraser <{Tripod}> no. 2 pencil? ok fixed it * Mimi_ slaps Dster around a bit with an Aquarium. #2 or #3 whatever it takes. STARTING WITH MIMI, WHAT IS AN EXPERIENCE YOU HAVE HAD THAT RELATES TO DISCRIMINATION AMONG THE DISABLED? ack! Oh jeez this is sounding more like truth or dare. Well, you're at the top of the list... :o) take the dare mimi! I don't think I have, Carly...I have to think about it :o( *** Mooooooo is now known as zMooooooo <{Tripod}> i'm glad i'm at the bottom Unless you want me to ask ChanServ and HandiBot... doh *** zMooooooo is now known as Mooooooo *** Dster is now known as zzdster Doesn't work that way, Mooooooo... LOL can you move on and I'll pop in when I;m ready with my answer? MOOOOOOO? *** DopeHat is now known as zzzDopeHa My only experience is with Simon LOL, come on you guys... heh, heh. I gotta get dinner *** Wren has joined #Disabled bbl *** Wakko2 has left #disabled Ive been discriminated against, but not by another disabled person because of my disability COULD YOU SUMMARIZE THAT FOR THE PEOPLE HERE THAT DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT? OK...I know what...I'm afraid I do it to myself...at first, and even now sometimes, I feel awkward in the group because I have epilepsy and am not physically disabled. I have asked myself if I really belong here. *** nate_ has joined #disabled I have had trouble with other disabled individuals in my place of employment Ooooh, very good mimi <{Tripod}> i'm new to being disabled so i don't think i've seen any Discrimination But no one has ever intimated that I should leave. :o) *** zzzDopeHa is now known as DopeHat *** Wren has left irc (Killed (hub.eskimo.com (irc2.inficad.com <- services.newnet.net 204.122.16.36] (older nick overruled)))) what kind of troubles, duckgirl? LIKE WHAT, DUCKGIRL? *** Wrenn has joined #Disabled <{Tripod}> brb I used to walk all the time...on crutches...then when I came back to work in a wheelchair Hi, I'm Renee. Hi Renee :o) I've been disabled for 42 years and have a yet been discriminated against. welcome, Renee :o) I needed to have some things changed so I could get around... there is one guy in the office with polio who has fussed and fussed about everyhting my employer has done for me almost like he is jealous * HelloKit nods. or can't face up to his own needs he is *** AmyWonder has joined #disabled or disability hey Amy! :o) *** laidback has joined #disabled Hi Amy and Wheels hi all hi hi moooo hi duckgirl AMYWONDER, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN DISABLED PEOPLE DISCRIMINATE AGAINST EACH OTHER? hi laidback Give Amy a sec to settle in :o) hello ping me so whats the top tonight? To the new arrivals, all questions tonight are in bold and caps OKAY, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE A SIMILAR EXPERIENCE? Discrimination Among the Disabled Thanks Mooooooo. does, sorta hi hellokit *** SweetHP has joined #Disabled DO TELL, LOTACA... :o) hi sweet :o) Hey laidback, SweetHP are all wheelchair users materialistic ? Hi! huh??? WHAT DO YOU MEAN, LOTACA? what the #$#$? I mean I have this cheap donated chair, and when I inquire of others ? about their chairs I get snubbed ive seen a lot of complaining because one person has a Quickie and another one doesnt *** zzdster is now known as Dster well, when I lived in a dorm for disabled some made fun of me It's not that I hold a passion for ANY chair but because mine is 10000 years old ? yea thats what kind i got after ears years I agree, a chair is a chair and I've heard people talk about how 'cool' their chair looks, that for them it's like buying a car: it can't just be a chair with 4 wheels i've seen some snobbishness at Ability Expo's - it's sophomoric. Why should anyone snub you because of your chair brand name? We all need certain things that not all chair makers can provide. ping me Sorry to admit it, but I thought we were supposed to help each pther, it really hurts well with a chair must must conside comfort and easy moving when your in it all the time i think its like Nike's as opposed to k-mart brand Well, I admit I like the look of my chair too... it does matter, but it's not what's important. ping me If the coolness of the chair is directly related to how function it makes a person then I don't see anything wrong with being proud of it. shouldnt brag but is most near 2 car i will come unless i get rich But I would never make fun of someone because I thought my chair was nicer. I agree Dster! Amy, how did they make fun of you I have cp and they had md, and ? Cool chairs are cool chairs, all I did was ask true hello I really could care less what they look like I care how they perform. Me too! But for me, I know I'd rather be seen in my black and teal chair than in the raspberry pink chair I used to have... yuck! But if someone else has a pink chair, so what? I had a neon pink Quickie, but now I have an Action XT. they were just js ppl in and out can b at times right all I have to admit i like my cool...splatter white quickie when I cryed aww My chairs always have to much dirt on them to tell what color they are :) LOL and that is the way I like em. lol *g* I WANT TO ASK YOU GUYS SOMETHING... Gives them that lived in look. The Quickie just couldn't hold up to camping and things like that...but my XT can! <{Tripod}> i'm back, i know yall didn't miss me lol yea its something how much they can get on and in them dster * Mooooooo loves camping :o) what hello? *** Lao-tzu has joined #disabled i know in high school we would drag race Lao!!!! ASK AWAY Hello Han! :o) IN THE DISABLED MESSAGE BOARDS ON AOL, ESPECIALLY THE PARKING BOARD, PEOPLE HAVE LITTLE FIGHTS OVER WHO HAS MORE OF A RIGHT TO THE DISABLED PARKING SPACES... Sweethp...I have to disagree with you my quickies has been all over the world thru all sorts of stuff <{Tripod}> drag race? * Lao-tzu says greeting, grettings to all * Lao-tzu says greeting, grettings to all and brag about who had the faster chair, Keith? hey how do you get to those boards greetings People with LEGAL placards/plates do they were all guys: I was thee only woman To the new arrivals, all questions tonight are in bold and caps IS THIS A DISCRIMINATION THING, OR COULD BUSINESSES, ETC. HAVE CAUSED THIS BECAUSE THEY DON'T PROVIDE ENOUGH SPACES? I'm sorry, did I start something ? but we wouldn't fight m quickie has the big tires and lot of power 1 thing i like i dont get stuck It is more of a legal/moral/medical thing in my mind. It's simply a factor that whether abled or disabled, people like to bitch Duckgirl...do you have aol? true hello theres not near enough In misc.handicap, there was griping overthe elderly using handicapped parking <{Tripod}> that's right Moo Business IS to blame, followed by the abled body folks who use someone elses placard ooh boy, i'm going to be silent for a while trying to figure out what's going on It is always difficult for Dr It is always difficult for Dr sweetHpAOL is not my provider my grandmother is 93 and uses a walker...is she less entitled to use a h. space just because her disability is the result of old age? It is always difficult for Dr's to enforce public policy. I MEAN, PEOPLE WILL SAY THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE A MORE SEVERE DISABILITY, THEY'RE MORE ENTITLED. IS THIS JUST BECAUSE WE STRUGGLE TO GET AHOLD OF THE FEW SPACES THERE ARE? I know exactly who should them old pll have just same right as we i think anyone who needs a lot of space to get in and out of a car <{Tripod}> i agree again Moooo or who has trouble walking very far, like my gramma that was next :o) Wouldn't be a parking problem if parking slots were used correctly I UNDERSTAND THAT, MIMI. BUT WHAT I DON'T LIKE IS THE FACT THAT EVERYONE GETS A PERMIT WHEN THEY TURN 65. <{Tripod}> the space thing is it do what i do take two regular spaces No they don't get a permit wgen they turn 65 here in RI well, that's ridiculous, Carly...they have to have a legitimate disability <{Tripod}> i've yet to take two I like the taking two spaces idea Why not go for the disability hat trick and take three spaces :) 1 thing that ticks me is 1 they have the space for us but its so small if u have a ramp u in the drive wave and have to look out 4 cars !!! this parking situtatio is way out of control hahaha - hat trick more ways than one *** dtb has joined #disabled hey dtb! :o) hello all hey hey hey dtb! ANYWAY, WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY'RE MORE ENTITLED TO OTHER SERVICES BECAUSE THEY HAVE A MORE SEVERE DISABILITY? they should make a whole row os reserved spaces there are way to many hanging plates arouns here...I hate it <{Tripod}> the only thing that tics me off is when they stick the nose of the vehicle over the side walk and don't call the police cause they won't come Not enough parking stalls, too much misuse by the non disabled, inadequate facilities and a partridge in a pear tree or ramp LOL lotaca hah Ain't that the truth... lol OKAY, I JUST HAD ANOTHER BRAINSTORM... go kit what? what? I'VE OFTEN FELT LIKE I DON'T BELONG AT MDA CAMP, BECAUSE I'M NOT DYING OR GETTING WORSE LIKE THE OTHER KIDS ARE... Have to go, sorry bye all *** lotaca has left irc (Leaving) <{Tripod}> seeya man bye latoca BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I'M IMAGINING IT, OR IF THE OTHER PEOPLE FEEL THAT WAY TOO. For the benefit of those who may need to leave early, you can download the entire meeting from our web site at http://members.tripod.com/~disabled bye lotaca We're all dying.....some of us are just on a tighter schedule. coooool ds SOMETIMES I THINK I'M JUST BEING PARANOID... like that <{Tripod}> cool way of saying it Dster I don't feel like I belong at any of those diabled things BUT OTHER TIMES I THINK I SENSE BITTERNESS FROM SOME PEOPLE... and why don't they ask disabled people before they make parking spaces I felt a little gullity goodnight Why don't they ask disabled people before they build anything? *** Chickadee has joined #disabled see ya gordon! *** gordon4 has left irc (Leaving) WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? hi Chickadee Im sure its real, Carly Hello Oh yes Kit...you're right. I'v got to go...bye Hi Chickadee :o) Carly, I think that your feelings are normal and natural, you're not being paranoid. bye duckgirl! <{Tripod}> i agree Carly bye duckgirl!! :o) bye *** duckgirl has left irc (Leaving) I ENJOY CAMP, AND I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS THERE... BUT SOMETIMES I WONDER IF MY SPACE COULD BE BETTER SPENT... this isnt unique among this disabled but never talked about it brb you deserve to go there too Carly you take up a parking space at camp? plain old envy and jealousy k back <{Tripod}> don't worry about Kit, you are deserving if they say its ok then go Carly LOL no I mean the bed, the food, the space I take up at camp. Someone doesn't get to go, because I'm there. You're not less deserving than someone else Carly But Kit...there is more than one camp. <{Tripod}> you care to go, and i believe that is enough Dster you asked why *they* don't ask disabled people before they build something. I thing that perhaps it is up to us to become more proactive and actually take part in the design process. That may be by actually asking to be part of the comitee in charge or banging on the door of the council-person responsible yep Kit, you have a right to hace fun too there is I have never been to camp...I mean I have been camping but that is different. good point, Han same here i went to camp once never got invited back yea that sounds good lao hahaha just cause you aren''t dying I wonder why, Daniel....*g* DO YOU THINK THE PHYSICALLY DISABLED DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE LEARNING DISABLED, OR VICE-VERSA? I went to camp quite a few years! <{Tripod}> is this camp just for cp people? because they had to take me to the emergency room 3 times never have alwas just got in trouble with my cuz !! hehe depends on what you mean by discriminate Well, at misc.handicap I've had people e-mail me wondering 'what I'm doing there' :oP as mama gump used to say disabled is as disabled does. Where I live it is vice-versa. LOL haha hahaha <{Tripod}> where do you live SweetHP? *** assid has joined #disabled hi assid heh HEY HOWS IT GOING hi assid great :o) hey assid :o) There is more support for the learning disabled than the physically disabled. I live near Roanoke, Virginia. same old u? what is the rario? ratio IF IT TAKES ME AWHILE TO TYPE ITS BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE ONE ARM WITH 2 FINGERS :) of learning to physical disabilities Where i live the people that threten to sue get the help that works no problem, assid :o) I think there is more support in general because there is less opportunity for that population. INEED A SUPPORT GROUP!!! A lot of us are slow typists here, assid. <{Tripod}> hey assid use what you got Same here, nate. Not to mention us bad spellers assid :) Of course...most people here think if you're physically disabled, then you're learning disabled as well. :) assid hey have ten still cant type worth sh@t hehe HOW ABOUT MY DICK very true Sweet lolol i type slow Very true, SweetHP... even our school district is guilty of that one. Before my accident I had a different perception of disabled people; I didn't understand how many variations of disability existet, however, even before my accident I have never discriminated against slower learners or for that matter anybody. What I have learned is to deal with the different forms of disability (not everything of course -- I don't know them all) As far as that thing about people saying 'I'm going to ask a *stupid* question' my elementary school was like that I UNDERSTAND I have alsways replied 'the only *stupid* question is the one that doesn't get asked' well my person needs to help go pee byree thank you, Han, for saying that....I have lots of 'stupid' questions :o) *** assid has left #disabled *** assid has joined #disabled :) I would say, by ratio, there are more learning disabled here than physically disabled. However, most with physical disabilities here stay in the closet. They think they can't do things everyone else does. if your lost all of your appendages would you have rto type with your private parts DSTER HAS A QUESTION... that sux, SweetHP I know it does. <{Tripod}> i have a hard time getting out right now and i have to agree with SweetHP on that what why wont people talk to me why wont people talk to me why wont people talk to me why wont people talk to me why wont people talk to me why wont people talk to me why wont people talk to me why wont people talk to me why wont people talk to me why wont people talk to me why wont people talk to me why wont people talk to me So if I hear you right sweet if we are in the closet we don't count or exsist? *** assid was kicked from #Disabled by HandiBot (banned) no I dont DO PEOPLE ACT DIFFERENTLY TOWARD PEOPLE WITH CONGENITAL DISABILITIES THAN THEY DO TOWARD PEOPLE WHO ACQUIRED THEIR DISABILITIES LATER IN LIFE? Oops, forgot to bold that... SweetHP: do you really think that way, I have met many persons in wheelchairs that run support groups, myself, I just came back from the Residents Executive meeting, etc. When I got married to an able-bodied man, it was thought that he was condemning himself to a life of taking care of me. Well...where do you live? DO PEOPLE ACT DIFFERENTLY TOWARD PEOPLE WITH CONGENITAL DISABILITIES THAN THEY DO TOWARD PEOPLE WHO ACQUIRED THEIR DISABILITIES LATER IN LIFE? There. <{Tripod}> what is your disablity SweetHP? CP. i don't know is everyone here a regular on the ng's? which ones? yes kit SweetHP, my friend Lynne is married to an able-bodied man and they have a beautiful girl -- none of the friends feels he's got anything less of a person got 2 sa i have been bad on that of times sweet thinking what itmeans 4 a lady to b with me * HelloKit reads misc.handicap Deffinate yes from me kit. IN WHAT WAYS? * Mooooooo reads alt.cows.moo.moo.moo Wrenn, I'm a reg reader of misc.handicap and alt.support.epilepsy, and alt.support.jaw-disorders Well, we have a 12 yr. old son, that happens to be an honor student in school. More likely to get the Isn't he a miracle crap if you have had it all your life IMHO. cool sweet congrats! * HelloKit agrees. That didn't keep the kids from picking on him calling me a 'M-F cripple'. <{Tripod}> i'm kinda scared to be with a woman now after the accident. I just don't know how to make them comfortable about my condition People tell me 'im special' all time * HelloKit gags! I sometimes think but hate] that I am less discriminated against because I have a late onset disorder and don't look i'm not being intentionally offensiive] Another thing is that the recently disabled spend way to much time and energy on cures IMHO. the next one gets his lights punched out i get tired of that moo look disabled - sorry <{Tripod}> i agree Moooo yea know what u mean moo Oh but how about how much of an 'Inspiration' you are?! hate that Tripod: My wife and I have made several adjustment after my accident. In some ways you loose in others you win. On balance as rotten as it sounds I think we're ahead get that 2 SweetHP? have you been reading my homepage??? /:o) Although I can't have kids, I do plan to adopt someday... I can't bare the thought of someone feeling sorry for my daughter because she has a disabled mother. No...should I Moooooo? how about i will pray for you *** Fuzzie1 has joined #disabled They seem to act like even more sorry for thoose whoo hahahaha, that too Keith <{Tripod}> i think i would be much comfortable trying to sustane a relationship with another person in my condition to tell you the truth 'Inspiration' was on my list too And if I don't get out of this toen I live in, that's going to happen. * SweetHP says 'Now I am sick' town tell them to pray for an IQ hate when fam usese me if did something way i am they can that dont woork Well, my son was an outcast at one school he attended, but it didn't stop with the kids. Their parents treated him and us like outcasts. my DREAm is to have a nice relationship with someone else with my disorder. more understanding what is your disorder? <{Tripod}> i have a son and i am scared he will be ashamed of me since i am in the chair now both ways At PTA meetings...they wouldn't sit near us...they would stand rather than sit anywhere we were. or tooo prray for understandingg * Mimi_ is now officially disgusted, SweetHP Friedreich's ataxia - there aren't many of us! WHY DO THE BLIND GET A SPECIAL INCOME TAX DEDUCTION (CHECK HERE IF YOU ARE BLIND...)? SHOULDN'T THAT SAY 'CHECK HERE IF YOU ARE DISABLED'... IF ANYTHING AT ALL? hmmmmmm ppl have been like that with me sweet I prefer a breathing deduction SweetHP, I guess children can get pretty nasty. I have 2 grown ups (26 & 27) and the younger one and his friends still ask me to pull out my old Fender Strat and jam with them. They lift me into places I couldn't otherwise get into <{Tripod}> Man.....it sounds like the people in your communittee suck, SweetHP LOL lol unless they get to know me then things change slow That works too, Mooooooo. 'Check here if you took more than 3 breaths of our polluted oxygen in 1996...' lol hahahahah At the Halloween party they had...I heard the PTA president tell another judge not to vote for my son. 'He belongs to the one in the wheelchair, so he's not even in the running.' i've never heard of that duction! WHAT?!?!? I would kill!!! where u from sweet??? amy have you ever done your own taxes? run him over SweetHP this forum is going faster than I can read and type but I think you have it pretty hard. THATS It stands out so much you have to be blind......oh never mind. Now I'm steamed... <{Tripod}> you need to move SweetHP I was so shocked, but they didn't know I was behind them! They got the cussing of their life!!! AN OUTRAGE! go Well...I did them one better!