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  HandiBot (dse@pacific.net)
  HelloKit (carlym@u.washington.edu)
  Mavros
  Mooooooo (dse@pacific.net)
  Red_
  Mimi_ (mimi@lino.com)
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* Mavros is amazed with Mimi's accurance! 6:00 Sharp! 
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<HelloKit> Thanks Daniel 
<Mooooooo> dtb!!!!!!! 
<Mimi_> Yeah, I'm on time for once. :o) 
<dtb> hello al!! 
<Mavros> Hello dtb 
<Mimi_> Hey dtb! :o) 
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<Red_> Mavros, it is just a sad thing, I'm a happy person 
    too 
<Mimi_> Hey lotaca! :o) 
<Mavros> Very happy to hear this! 
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<Mooooooo> lotaca!!!! 
<HelloKit> Wheelin had better be here soon... 
<Mooooooo> hoedy coffee and deedee :o) 
<Mimi_> Sheesh! Hello everyone who just came in! :o) 
<^Coffeebe> Hello Everyone! 
<Mavros> Hello everybody! 
<Red_> hello 
<deedee38> hey everyone 
<lotaca> hello again, where'd everyone go 
<dtb> hi all 
<Mooooooo> you split 
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<Mooooooo> t-62, i know that nick :o) 
<lotaca> stupid machine, I got messages that everyone quit 
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<t-62> i have finally made it here 
<Red_> same thing has happened to me 
<Mooooooo> howdy haa :o) 
<HelloKit> lotaca: That was a netsplit. 
<lotaca> ? 
<haa> howdy back 
<t-62> what is the subject? i forgot 
<Mooooooo> when a server loses its internet connection 
<Mimi_> Hey haa. 
<Mooooooo> Dealing With the Public 
<t-62> ok.. 
<HelloKit> Hi Helen... 
<lotaca> coool, may it never happen again:-) 
<Mooooooo> haha, it will happen until the sun burns out 
<Mooooooo> /:o) 
<t-62> what about it? has anyone said anything yet? 
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<Mooooooo> doh! 
<Mavros> He should say something else... 
<Mooooooo> nope, we just started 
<t-62> ok.. 
<HelloKit> Wheelin, who chose the topic, is supposed to 
    lead us tonight. But he's not here!!! 
<t-62> ic 
<t-62> well can anyone start? 
<Mooooooo> wooohooo, Carly gets to lead :o) 
<^Coffeebe> Are you all from Ability Online? 
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<Mooooooo> i was on it once 
<t-62> oh sorry 
<Mooooooo> a long time ago 
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<Mavros> Welcome Haa 
<t-62> don't know it 
<Mooooooo> just like a yoyo :o) 
<Mooooooo> t-62, its a bbs 
<Mavros> Well Carly? 
<Mooooooo> for disabilties 
<haa> i am homebound so only see the public on the 
    internet 
<t-62> what's bbs? 
<HelloKit> As your leader, I appoint Mooooooo to start the 
    discussion... 
<HelloKit> Hehehehehe 
<Mooooooo> its like a web site :o) 
<lotaca> haa and I got lost in space again 
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<t-62> oh 
<Mooooooo> Ok 
<Mavros> HEY guys! I found the way to start the meeting! 
<lotaca> ? 
<Mavros> I have the radio on and the song I now hear is: 
<Mooooooo> I would like to know what the typical reaction 
    is from someone when they first meet you. 
<haa> okay 
<Mavros> 'DON'T WORRY BE HAPPY' 
<t-62> they take pity 
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<Mavros> What else? Can we stop worrying? 
<lotaca> adult or child ? 
<haa> impressed or inspired 
<Mooooooo> both 
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<lotaca> kids dig me, I'm low and atr their level 
<Mimi_> umm....bored? 
<HelloKit> One time one of our church missionaries brought 
    a new missionary over to meet our family... 
<Mimi_> Hey Wheelin :o) 
<Mooooooo> wheelin :o) 
<HelloKit> He held out his hand to me to shake hands, and 
    as soon as he saw my hand he put his back down. 
<Wheelin> Hi Mimi... hey mooooooo 
<lotaca> wheelin!!!!!!!!!!!! 
<Mooooooo> what was your reaction? 
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<Mooooooo> eeek! 
<younnguy> hello 
<haa> I wish i could say that about my kids 
<HelloKit> I just quietly acted as if it didn't happen. 
<Mooooooo> hi shawn 
<HelloKit> Hey Shawn... 
<Mavros> Hello 
<Wheelin> hi lotaca 
<Mimi_> Ummm there's awar between Chanserv and Handibot over 
    me Moo.... 
<younnguy> how's everyone tonight 
<lotaca> adults are in two categories 
<lotaca> one: put off 
<^Coffeebe> I think a lot of people get the idea that the 
    disabled = not very smart. 
<Mooooooo> what kind of categories? 
<lotaca> two: overly helpful 
<t-62> why? coffeebe? 
<Red_> very good lotaca 
<Mavros> the problem is that there is a lack of knowledge 
    about disabilities. Is they don't know, if we don't let 
    them know, how are they going to change? 
<^Coffeebe> I think it is just a reaction that people get 
    even if its wrong. 
<HelloKit> There... fixed the problem with ChanServ. Sorry 
    bout that. 
<lotaca> My personal favorite (NOT) is the folks who see 
    the chair coming, and race you to the door, and blocks it 
<HelloKit> Was my fault, Mimi. 
<^Coffeebe> I agree Mavros...lack of knowledge. 
<Mimi_> np, Carly :o) 
<Mooooooo> I get all sorts of mixed reactions from 3 age 
    groups 
<younnguy> so what's the topic? 
<haa> how is your modem/ 
<Mooooooo> everyone below 7 or so accepts me with no 
    questions 
<HelloKit> haa: Mine? 
<HelloKit> All fixed. 
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<Mooooooo> older assume i have mental problems because i 
    walk funny 
<Countrybo> yeehaaaw full house! 
<HelloKit> Hey Countrybo. 
<Mavros> I cannot accuse those people who rush to help me! 
    I just do not accept their help on silly things just like 
    opening doors, and I thank them with a very polite way! 
<HelloKit> LOL 
<Countrybo> hiyall 
<^Coffeebe> Moooo I find children to just stare most of 
    the time. 
<Mooooooo> adults tend to think im a genius 
<Mavros> You said it Dan! Older! 
<Mimi_> Hi Countrybo :o) 
<HelloKit> With kids I think it depends on how they're 
    raised. 
<haa> yes how is hellokit's modem 
<Mooooooo> middle children do stare 
<Mooooooo> a couple even screamed 'hey cripple' at me 
<Red_> adults are just more subtle 
<lotaca> kids like my size, some stare, but only because 
    the parents won't let them ASK 
<Countrybo> dont you just hate it when people talk loud 
    and slow to you thinking just because you're in a wheel 
    chair you cant hear or think? 
<Mooooooo> wanst too hard to hide their bodies (joke) 
<Mavros> The only disabled persons they knew was little 
    Mark who was a IIWW veteran and was in his home for the 
    rest of his life! 
<HelloKit> If they're raised to 'not talk about the 
    disability' and everything concerning disabilities is 
    hush-hush, they yes, they stare. 
<Mimi_> I don't have a noticeable disability but when 
    people find out I have epilepsy they tend to become 
    slightly alarmed, as if I'm about to seize right there on 
    the spot 
<lotaca> I talk to kids straight away, removes any fear 
    they may have 
<^Coffeebe> HelloKie...yes I agree with you 100% it does 
    depend on how children are raised. 
<HelloKit> But if they're raised right, they don't even 
    know the difference. 
<lotaca> teenagers are cool, they mostly have their head 
    someplace else and cqan't see me :-) 
<Countrybo> lol 
<lotaca> can't 
<lotaca> I meant that nicely 
<younnguy> brb 
<Mooooooo> hahahah 
<Countrybo> Hurry back, younnguy We'll miss you 
<Countrybo> if they ignore us we'll go away? 
<^Coffeebe> I agree HelloKit...if parents don't allow 
    children to talk to the disabled they will never know that 
    there is something there to relate to. 
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<Mavros> So the point is that we make the difference! If 
    we change our attitude and we accept their lack of 
    knowledge just like something very normal, we'll find the 
    way to change them... 
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<Red_> I find once I talk w/the kids, they see me... 
<Mooooooo> i guess its another social taboo 
<lotaca> adults are really wierd, most like I said last 
    week, NEED something to fear 
<^Coffeebe> I had a small child about 7 years old that 
    asked me if God was mad at me and made me like this. 
    Before I could talk to the child his mother came and 
    rushed him away. 
<haa> I do not get to see many people except a lot of 
    my kids friend's parents 
<Mooooooo> rather than teach their kids to ask someone 
    about their diiferences tactfully, they teach them to not 
    ask at all 
<Countrybo> this is startin to sound like we are a 
    minority group striving for recognition....shouldnt we just 
    strive for understanding? 
<Red_> I tell the parents to let me explain so they will 
    except me as a person 
<dtb> People don't like dealing with us because it reminds 
    them of their own mortality 
<Mooooooo> sometimes understanding comes with recognition 
<Countrybo> true 
<HelloKit> My senior year I gave a talk on disabilities to 
    my psychology class. Everyone asked a lot of questions and 
    it was then that I realized the reason most of these kids 
    had treated me the way they did, was because of the way 
    they were kept in the closet by their parents. 
<Mavros> Yeap! that's it.. 
<Countrybo> should i stop in the middle of a busy isle in 
    Kmart and shout THIS COULD HAPPEN TO YOU? lol hhmmm 
<lotaca> Most of the time I loudly tell my wife, 'it's 
    not their fault, they were probably born that way' :-) 
<Mooooooo> how did they treat you afterward carly? 
<Countrybo> lol 
<Red_> lol 
* Mimi_ chuckles 
<Mavros> :-) 
<Countrybo> did they treat you as an equal then carly? 
<HelloKit> Well, it was the last day of class, so... 
<haa> the parents try but feel awkward 
<Mavros> LOL 
<Countrybo> had nothin to losse eh? lol 
<Mooooooo> they're cranial impaired :o) 
<Countrybo> yupyup 
<Mavros> you know what the funny part is? 
<HelloKit> But it was really neat the way they all asked 
    questions about my disability and friendships and 
    relationships... 
<^Coffeebe> I think people are afraid of what they do not 
    know. 
<Mimi_> what's that mavros? 
<Countrybo> I yell that out to people that park in 
    handicapped spaces without being handicaped lol mentally 
    handicapped eh? 
<lotaca> It isn't their fault, really, most 'NORMAL people 
    have NO clue 
<Mavros> the next day everybody who was in this class when 
    they saw a ny of us whould be very 'polite' and smiling! 
<Countrybo> well if we were normal would we? 
<Mooooooo> Countrybo, they suffer from cranial/rectal 
    inversion 
<Mavros> any 
<Mimi_> It's not because they're bad people, I think it 
    all goes back to education and the experiences they have 
    had 
<Countrybo> maybe we should see ourselves from their 
    perspective.... we do scare them! 
<lotaca> This position that able bodied folks put us in 
    needs to get turned around, 
<lotaca> Imean we, to us, we are normal 
<Red_> no one is normal! 
<Red_> what ever that is 
<Mimi_> True, Tracy. *g* 
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<dtb> good point, Red_ 
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<lotaca> Do you think the rest of the world have channels 
    to talk about stuff like this ? 
<turbokev> hi 
<Mimi_> Hey Kevin! :o) 
* Countrybo proposes that we have grade schools have a 
    handicapped awareness day where kids try sittin in wheel 
    chairs and such that would educate trhem! 
<turbokev> probably not 
<Red_> I played a game of pool in a wheelchair 
<Mooooooo> actually, thats a good idea 
<HelloKit> No... that would make them feel sorry for us. I 
    don't need any more pity than I already get. 
<Countrybo> nononon 
<turbokev> good idea but include adults 
<Mooooooo> not pity, understanding 
<Mimi_> My cousin taught me how to do wheelies, that;s all 
    the formal education I've ever had *g* 
<Red_> I think talking about it is a good idea 
<Countrybo> it would show them that the only difference is 
    that darn wheel chair! 
<Mavros> I believe that everybody is changing because of 
    us! did you see the new BARBIE? who whould expect this 10 
    years before? 
<lotaca> Our eleme4ntary school has a 'handicap awarness 
    class' but they wont let me assist in it 
<Mooooooo> not just sit them in a chair, but make them to 
    the whole routine 
<HelloKit> I have the new Barbie! 
<Red_> I think that is so cool 
<Mimi_> Is she cute, Carly? 
<Mavros> CLAP CLAP!:-) 
<Countrybo> and how a few little helps here and therer 
    like holding a door or a weel placed ramp can really help 
    us out 
<Red_> how much was it? 
<Mavros> that;s the spirit! 
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<HelloKit> She's really cute. I'm gonna take pictures of 
    her. 
<HelloKit> $20 
<younnguy> hello again 
<Mavros> welcome back 
<turbokev> no hellokit it make them awareware of the 
    hurdles we face everyday 
<Red_> that's not bad 
<haa> my 15 year old loves my wheelchair but has a hard 
    time dealing with my disability 
<Mimi_> wb younnguy 
<Mooooooo> lotaca, why cant you help out? 
<HelloKit> At Toys 'R' Us... but you may have trouble 
    getting ahold of one. I had to reserve one. 
<younnguy> I just tried to find a friend but she wasn't 
    online 
<Red_> haa, why is that? 
<turbokev> she's cute but Carly is cutier!!!!!!! 
<Countrybo> well it cant teach them everything we deal with 
    everyday but it can help open some eyes and break theat 
    fear factor 
<lotaca> I guess because I won't scare the kids, actually 
    not real inteligent thinking by PTA 
<Mooooooo> oh brother! 
<turbokev> yes countrybro 
<lotaca> I voulenteered in my sons class, the only one on 
    the list, never was called 
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<Countrybo> geee 
<HelloKit> Hey Keith... 
<Mooooooo> that sucks 
<Red_> bummer 
<Mimi_> hey Dopehat! 
<lotaca> How do you educate educators ? 
<DopeHat> Hi 
<Mimi_> That's idtiotic, lotaca 
<Mooooooo> PTA people tend to think it gives them a PhD 
    too 
<HelloKit> HA!!! Good luck. 
<turbokev> lets do a wheelchair count 
<Countrybo> the adults were scared then . Who said it 
    would be easy? change takes time and dedication 
<Mooooooo> lotaca, with a 2 by 4 
<Mooooooo> /:o) 
<lotaca> one, no Two I have a spare 
<HelloKit> You guys want to hear a story? 
<Mooooooo> sure 
<lotaca> k 
<DopeHat> ok 
<Mimi_> shoot, Carly 
<Countrybo> you gotta admit things are alot better than 
    they were 20 years ago! But it didnt change by itself 
    people changed it! 
<haa> red i think he is a kid who wants lots of freedom 
    free of requests for help 
<turbokev> i mean how many of us are in wheelchairs 
<Countrybo> me 
<turbokev> shoot carly 
<turbokev> me 
<Countrybo> shhot carly 
<lotaca> me me 
<DopeHat> me 
<Mimi_> I'm not, Kevin 
<Red_> not me 
<Mooooooo> not me 
<Wheelin> me 
<younnguy> I am 
<Red_> I use a cane 
<Countrybo> i am not in one full time though thank God 
<lotaca> point ? 
<dtb> not me 
<Mavros> me 
<Mooooooo> i do use poles with hiking though 
<HelloKit> My youngest brother Ricky has attention deficit 
    and oppositional behavior disorder. My parents have tried 
    and tried to get the school to understand that he needs 
    one-on-one supervision 100% of the time... 
<lotaca> we come in different sizes, like the rest of the 
    world 
<lotaca> school won't help ? 
<younnguy> that must be hard for your parents 
<HelloKit> A couple weeks ago, he was left unattended IN 
    THE STAFF LOUNGE with the other special education kids, and 
    they made a 911 call... 
<haa> Kevin i have been in wheelchairs for years 
<Mooooooo> uh oh 
<lotaca> my normal kid would have done that 
<younnguy> yep that what you get when you leave kids alone 
<Mimi_> any kid would have done that 
<younnguy> any kids 
<Countrybo> I have a question for all you full timers 
    thats kinda really bothering me for when I become a full 
    timer wich wont be long can I ask? 
<HelloKit> The principal called up my mother and threatened 
    her, told her that she would have to come to the school 
    with Rick, while they had the sherriff talk to him. 
* turbokev says that's 9 chairs, 1 cane, and 3 other 
    disabilities 
<lotaca> but they shouldn't have been left alone 
<younnguy> ask away 
<lotaca> schools fault 
<DopeHat> the school system is screwed up. 
<Mimi_> it was their fault, Carly! 
<turbokev> where the hell were the teachers? 
<younnguy> yep 
<turbokev> or assistants? 
<lotaca> Sheriff arrest the principal for stupidity ? 
<Countrybo> welll thjis is embarrasing but when you transfer 
    from chair to toilet how do you get pants on and off 
    without standing up? 
<lotaca> carefully 
<HelloKit> My father went down to talk to the principal, 
    and told her Rick would not be going back to school until 
    he was going to have full time supervision and be safe. 
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<turbokev> he should 
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<DopeHat> too many kids and not enough teachers 
<HelloKit> My dad said he didn't feel Rick was safe at 
    the school, and the principal kept insisting... 'he was 
    only alone for a minute'. 
<lotaca> not enough responcible teachers 
<lotaca> please excuse spelling 
<younnguy> I have a good story about the screwed up school 
    system want to hear it? 
<Red_> nobody seems to care anymore 
<HelloKit> The 911 tape was longer than a minute, and 
    besides, do you know what this kid could do in 'only a 
    minute'? 
<lotaca> go 
<Mooooooo> yep 
<HelloKit> In a minute he could be out in the middle of 
    the road, dead. 
<HelloKit> And that's safe? 
<haa> dopehat the airports are not a great place for 
    people in wheelchairs either 
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<lotaca> schools are only as safe as we let them 
<Red_> or trains 
<turbokev> its wrong that they did it but the kids 
    shouldn't have been left unattended in the first place 
<HelloKit> I'm gonna go eat REALLY QUICK... brb 
<Countrybo> Hurry back, HelloKit We'll miss you 
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    into her favorite dish... 'Be back in a few!' 
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<Mooooooo> love that script cb :o) 
<Countrybo> guess I shouldnt have asked :( 
<turbokev> brb how roud 
<Countrybo> Hurry back, turbokev We'll miss you 
<Red_> do you really hear sound? 
<lotaca> countrybo:> unzip, scoot forward and push them down 
    as far as you can, let gravity take it from there 
<turbokev> i'm not leaving 
<younnguy> When I was in the fivth grade we had a dispute 
    with our local school system the wanted to take my aid 
    away and put the money in other things like sports. that's 
    why I've been homeschooled ever since 
<lotaca> their loss I'm sure 
<Red_> incredible 
<turbokev> age check 
<Red_> oh no 
<lotaca> old 
<Countrybo> you kinda roll and pull huh? 
<turbokev> 24 
<Mooooooo> shawn, you're a lot better off being homeschooled 
<Mimi_> 27 
<Mooooooo> 33 
<younnguy> I know 
<Red_> old 
<Mimi_> I'm thinking of homeschooling my boy 
<turbokev> age is only a number 
<Wheelin> 32 
* Countrybo was seriousely afraid about how he would put 
    them back up! 
<younnguy> but that's over I go to college next year 
<lotaca> actually I push them down as far as possible, and 
    during the transfer they fall down 
<Red_> am I the oldest or what? 
<Mooooooo> thats a good idea to Mimi 
<lotaca> 47 
<Red_> thank you... 
<Red_> :) 
<Countrybo> 42 
<turbokev> mimi how old is ur son 
<Red_> 35 
<turbokev> is he disabled 
<Mimi_> He's two. He's the only English speaking boy in 
    town. 
<lotaca> does that help countrybo ? 
<haa> red i am a 53 year old mother of 2 
<turbokev> 35 is young 
<lotaca> you win 
<Red_> wow 
<younnguy> mimi where do you live 
<Red_> compared to you... 
<Red_> yes 
<Countrybo> welll guess its kinda like you gotta figure it 
    out when you get there huh? 
<Red_> lol :) 
<Mimi_> No, it's for language reasons, someone who can 
    barely say 'My name is' is going to teach him 'English' 
    as a second language and screw him all up 
<turbokev> mimi ur in frame 
<Mimi_> I'm in Canada, youngguy, Quebec to be specific 
<Mimi_> They speak French in Canada in case you didn't 
    know :o) 
<turbokev> oh 
<younnguy> oh and they speak french up there don't they 
<lotaca> countybo, sorta, but usually it works, pulling them 
    takes a piece of string attached to the belt, don't drop 
    the string 
* Countrybo is scared of the future guess I need a swift 
    kick in behind 
<Red_> here, let me... 
<turbokev> french is the romantic language 
<lotaca> have to off it first :-) 
<Countrybo> ok good idea! trhat helps 
* Mooooooo kicks Countrybo in the dupa :o) 
<Countrybo> lol 
<lotaca> welcome :-) 
<Mooooooo> Nooooooooo, polish is the romantic language 
<turbokev> and mimi is gorgeous 
* Mimi_ blushes furiously 
<turbokev> so is carly 
<Wheelin> I thought sub titles was the romantic language 
<younnguy> mimi what do you think of this Qubeck verses 
    Canada ordeal? 
<Mimi_> Canada all the way...Quebeckers are thinking with 
    their hearts not their heads and will destroy the economy 
    of the entire Eastern half of Canada if they separate, 
    including themselves 
<Mooooooo> i mean, how many languages have a word as 
    lovely and romantic as 'keilbasa' 
* turbokev is at http://members.iglou.com/turbokev 
<turbokev> that's gasy 
<Mimi_> ummmm, can't agree with that one, Mooo....how about 
    'saucisse' 
* turbokev slaps Mooooooo around a bit with a large trout 
<Mooooooo> saucisse? 
<lotaca> are we done with the topic for the night ? 
<younnguy> I know but I believe if they keep trying they 
    might get independencre and I don't like that 
<Mooooooo> nope 
<Mimi_> sausage in French 
<Mooooooo> just sidetracked :o) 
<turbokev> isn't keilbasa a sausage 
<Mooooooo> yep 
<Mimi_> ask a pertinent question Mooo 
<lotaca> OK, thought I got lost again 
<turbokev> it creates gas 
<Mimi_> get us back on track here 
<Mooooooo> hahaha 
<turbokev> yuck 
<Mooooooo> ok, what about one on one meetings with 
    potential employers 
<Mooooooo> how were you treated 
<turbokev> handicapped parking? 
<turbokev> it sucksa 
<Mooooooo> all mine were disasters 
<Mimi_> My motto is 'what they don't know won't hurt them' 
    (I have epilepsy, in case you need the background info to 
    understand that) 
<younnguy> about handicapp parking it sucks 
<lotaca> ha ha, employers normally see you in the waiting 
    room, tthen tell you that you're over qualified 
<Mooooooo> lotaca, yep. been there 
<Red_> I never had any problems 
<Mooooooo> im always over-qualified 
<younnguy> I mean they give the tag to everyone and some 
    of them don't really need it 
<Red_> I have to convince them some tho 
<turbokev> handicapped parking is not work 
<Mooooooo> but when the employer knew me first, i always 
    got the job 
<lotaca> unless they need a tax break, then they hire you 
    for an impossible position, and 'have to let you go' 
<younnguy> sorry 
<Mooooooo> I did have one employer have it backfire on 
    them 
<Mooooooo> they told me I was over qualified to work 
    there.... at $7 
<haa> Mimi_ i tried hiding or ignoring my disability for 
    years but you cann't keep it up 
<Mooooooo> then they called the best consultant in the area 
    (which turned out to be me) and I charged them $125 per 
    hour 
<Countrybo> ya as soon as I couldnt hide mine anymore it 
    was we cant wait to help you out the door 
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<Mooooooo> hi Speedy! 
<Mimi_> haa, I know...but my grand mal seizures are 
    completely under control, and the absence seizures only 
    happen when I'm falling asleep. It's just not their 
    business to know, that's all 
<turbokev> red, red heads tend to be more aggressive and 
    they get away with a lot, and they're sexy 
<lotaca> ADA doesn't cover everything, some facilities aren't 
    even covered by by accessiblity codes 
<Mimi_> Hey, Speedy! Welcome! 
<`Speedy_> hiya Mooooooo 
<`Speedy_> hiya Mimi 
<Countrybo> naaw its that darn temper that acompanies red 
    heads lol 
<Countrybo> specially Irish red heds 
<lotaca> drifty 
<lotaca> rweally drifting now 
<turbokev> anyone from kentucky 
<Mooooooo> so i made quite a bit more money 
<Red_> how about German Reds? 
<Countrybo> lol 
<Mooooooo> afterward they offered me a job and i turned 
    THEM down :o) 
<Mimi_> haa, do you think I need to tell them even if it 
    has absolutely no pertinence to the job? 
<Countrybo> darn krauts lol they get mean lol j/k 
<turbokev> but they're great in bed (all redheads) 
<lotaca> In Washington State, there is a real lack of ADA 
    cordinators, try ONE 
<Red_> lol 
<Countrybo> heheh lotaca 
<Mooooooo> Mimi, unless it effects your work, its none of 
    their business 
<Countrybo> I am red hed lol 
<Wheelin> great story Mooooooo 
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<haa> mimi_ if you can hide it do it cause it does make 
    things eazier 
<Red_> then you know... 
<Wheelin> You in WA lotaca? 
<turbokev> who regulates ADA? 
<Red_> hahah 
<Mimi_> no it doesn't affect anything but sleep, and my 
    memory sometimes 
<Mooooooo> howdy firulais 
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<turbokev> i like reds 
<lotaca> In Wash. state 
<Mooooooo> Mimi, as long as you dont forget me, its okay 
    :o) 
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<HelloKit> What did I miss? 
<Mimi_> Never, Moooo *g* 
<Mooooooo> ADA is regulated by the Justice Department 
<Mimi_> we digressed, CArly. We needed you. 
<Red_> Carly, will you send me a cat? 
<`Speedy_> HelloKit, you missed my arrival :) 
<turbokev> i like reds, blonds, bronettes, blackheads, etc 
<lotaca> ADA is Federal 
<HelloKit> A cat? 
<Red_> real picky huh? 
<lotaca> wrong topic ? 
<Red_> that you made up on e-mail 
<Mimi_> haa, if I ever have a seizure on the job, then 
    they'll know, for sure! *L* 
<Red_> the stretching cat 
<HelloKit> Oh... :o( I don't have it anymore. 
<Wheelin> where lotaca 
<Red_> no copies? 
<lotaca> Olympia 
<HelloKit> Nope... my hard drive hosed a few months ago, 
    and it went bye-bye... 
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<Red_> oh bummer 
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<lotaca> why? 
<Red_> all that work 
<Mimi_> howdy newcomers! :o) 
<crocdunde> i iant got no head 
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<crocdunde> please help me 
<HelloKit> It wasn't mine, I found it on the web. 
<Red_> lol 
<HelloKit> Oh boy! BRB 
<Countrybo> Hurry back, HelloKit We'll miss you 
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<younnguy> just a minute carly I may have one still 
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<turbokev> cats r too independent 
<lotaca> when are we going to be able to expect 
    regognition as 'disabled' if we keep hiding it ? 
<haa> mimi_ if you are very good at what you do and 
    pushy too yow will last 20 years like me 
<Mooooooo-> eek 
<turbokev> i like reds, blonds, bronettes, blackheads, etc 
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<Mooooooo> turbokev, you're repeating 
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<Mooooooo> I dunno lotaca 
<Countrybo> well if you are able to hide it you're not as 
    disabled as you think! 
<lotaca> We need a DISBILTY UNION to prtect us 
<Mimi_> I don't hide it, I just don't volunteer the 
    information when it's not relevant. Is that wrong? 
<Countrybo> good idea! 
<lotaca> and help me with my spelling 
<Countrybo> i did that for years! 
<Mooooooo> nope Mimi, thats not wrong 
<lotaca> No you're not wrong 
<Mooooooo> its none of their business 
<lotaca> we are in a catch 22 
<Countrybo> then when i couldnt hide it i confessed but 
    nobody fired me for hiding it! 
<younnguy> well everyone I have to go 
<Mimi_> ummm, I don't think I'm disabled, countrybo... 
<turbokev> who do you report to if a public place isn't 
    wheelchair accessible 
<younnguy> my sister wants the computer 
<Mimi_> See ya, younnguy! :o) 
<Mooooooo> see ya shawn 
<`Speedy_> Mimi, that's not wrong at all, I wish I had 
    the same choice at times :) 
<Countrybo> way to go mimi! 
<lotaca> building department 
<turbokev> u r somewhat? 
<younnguy> bye 
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<lotaca> bye 
<turbokev> younnguy tell ur sis to take a hike 
<turbokev> what building department? 
<dtb> time to eat. See ya next week! 
<lotaca> I am disabled to a point, but I think, talk, and 
    spell badly 
<Countrybo> I had md all my life but never considered 
    myself disabled untill I couldnt walk good 
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<lotaca> Canada or USA? 
<turbokev> i have duchenne md 
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<turbokev> since i was 6 
* HelloKit paws at the sand to cover up her business... 
    'There!' 
<Mooooooo> the only time I really considered myself disabled 
    was when i was depressed 
<Countrybo> then i was inconvienienced...now I can BARELY 
    walk and I am challenged....I dont know if I wil ever bee 
    truely disabled but who has a hour and a half to explain 
    all this to everyone? 
<lotaca> me 
<Mimi_> true, Countrybo :o) 
<Red_> me too 
<Countrybo> I have limb girdle 
<turbokev> i can't hide my disability 
* HelloKit hands HelloKit some TYLENOL 
<Countrybo> I used to just say I had bad knees 
<haa> i think there is a place to report non-acessable 
    wheelchair joints but how about the docs, dentists and 
    hospitals--i used to get so angry 
<Mooooooo> otherwise i not didabled, I just walk funny 
<Countrybo> that worked till it got obvioius 
<Mooooooo> and i type crappy :o) 
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<lotaca> turbokev: in USA contact city or county building 
    department, I have no clue who to contact in Canada 
<Mimi_> yeah, I never knew I was 'developmentally disabled' 
    until I read it on a web page last week. *g* 
<Mooooooo> is there anyone I can sue since I cant touch 
    type? 
<Mimi_> try Microsoft... 
<lotaca> IBM for not putting lables on the keyboard :-) 
* Mooooooo ponders the notion 
<Mooooooo> Im sure there is someone I can sue 
<lotaca> has anyone found the damn 'ANY' key 
<Mimi_> accessability is awful, here 
<lotaca> where? 
<HelloKit> LOL 
<turbokev> countrybo r u really Hank Williams 
<Mooooooo> my town has just put wheelchair curbs on all 
    the main street corners 
<Mimi_> in Quebec, Canada 
<Countrybo> ya i thought it was sooo stupid I'd go to a 
    doctors office like an orthopedic sergeon who dealt with 
    people on crutches and wheel chairs all the time and the 
    darn office was almost inaccessable ! You'd think an office 
    like that would atleast have a one highter type chair or 
    stool or lift chair! 
<turbokev> any relation to the singer 
<lotaca> Contact Easter Seals, Quebec or Toronto fo ideas 
<turbokev> i have duchenne md 
<Red_> I gotta go, goodnight everyone 
<Mooooooo> bye Tracy!!!!! 
<Mimi_> 'night Red! 
<turbokev> bye cutie 
<Red_> bye 
<lotaca> bye 
<Mimi_> oops, Tracy *g* 
<turbokev> tracy 
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<lotaca> list is shrinking 
<Mimi_> That 
<Mimi_> oops 
<turbokev> yep 
<Mimi_> That's a great idea, lotaca. No one seems to be 
    doing anything about it here, I suppose I ouht to try. 
<Mooooooo> im wondering how things will go in Dallas with 
    my job interviews 
<Mimi_> all the local 'handicapped club' does is have bingo 
    games 
<haa> Mimi_ it is not great in San Jose or San Francisco 
    for acessibility 
* Countrybo thinks we md patients have an advantage over 
    other handicappers thru the help and support of the MDA I 
    only wish other groups would help their tyypes of 
    handicappers! 
<lotaca> Can't remember the number or http: might do a web 
    search 
<turbokev> try NAOTD 
<Mimi_> Really, haa? I tend to think that cities would be 
    more with it than out here in the middle of nowhere 
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<lotaca> There are a lot of organizations out there. Spinal 
    Cord Society for me 
<Countrybo> the folks in the middle of nowhere are more 
    aptto help a neighbor! 
<Mimi_> Countrybo, what's your take on Jerry Lewis? Is it 
    all because of him? 
<lotaca> and Arthritis foundation 
<turbokev> national alliance of the disabled 
<Mooooooo> and I have the National Association of Cattle 
    Ranchers :o) 
<HelloKit> LOL 
<Mimi_> *g* 
<Countrybo> like the hardware store out here in the middle 
    of no where they come to my truck! and wait on me! 
<lotaca> lol 
<turbokev> MDA sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
<Countrybo> MDA helps and it took alot more than jerry 
    lewis 
<haa> Mimi_ it is such a struggle i do not try to go 
    out anymor 
<Mimi_> I have two cousins with MD, they were really 
    active with the MDA and the telethons 
<turbokev> i've never experienced that before 
<lotaca> All I need to do in any store is ask. That's 
    the hard part for me 
<Mimi_> That's terrible, haa, really? There must be better 
    places to live... 
<Countrybo> MDA doesnt help as much as we all wish it 
    would but hey anything is better than nothing and I am 
    grateful for what help they have given me 
<turbokev> i used to be the State poster child 
<Mimi_> so were my cousins they were cute :o) 
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<lotaca> Easter Seals installed my ramps, and redid the 
    bath for me, no charge 
<Mimi_> hey snowbound! :o) 
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<Countrybo> well mda bought me braces they paid for a 
    wheel chair they paid half of my electric cart they do my 
    blood tests and if i balance it right they end up 
    covering my medicare deductable 
<lotaca> wheelin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
<snowbound> Hey Hey...Just looking around...Seeing what you 
    folks are up to 
<Wheelin> re hi 
<Countrybo> my church did my ramp 
<lotaca> sounds like a good deal 
<HelloKit> MDA here doesn't provide equipment anymore. 
<Mooooooo> hi snowbound :o) 
<Mimi_> that's great, guys. 
<Countrybo> oh ya they also loaned me a walker! 
<haa> Mimi_ I guess there is probably a disability heaven 
    somewhere but i have never been there 
<lotaca> I have problems asking for the help, too stupid I 
    guess 
<turbokev> since i went on a ventilator mda ditched me and 
    they haven't done a thing for me since, and when i have 
    a problem they said thats life 
<HelloKit> I go my w/c from them, and I have to take 
    care of it, cuz when it's dead I have to buy one... 
<Countrybo> wow! 
<Mimi_> there is the funnies post right now at 
    alt.support.epilepsy, haa...it's called ' 
<turbokev> yep 
<snowbound> Here in the UP of michigan where I live, the 
    Kiwanas (sp) does a lot of ramps 
<Mimi_> 'All epileptics go to heaven' 
<Mooooooo> heheheh 
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<lotaca> I was given a w/c by a friend, and had one 
    issued by the hospital ala medicaid 
<Mooooooo> how much does a wheelchair cost? 
<HelloKit> Depends. 
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<turbokev> mda's research is great but they don't deal in 
    the now 
<lotaca> 300 plus 
<Mooooooo> wow 
<Mimi_> why did they ditch you Kevin, are they having 
    financial difficulties? 
<snowbound> a good lightweight chair is $1200 easy 
<Wheelin> $1500 
<Countryb> mine was 2500! 
<Mimi_> ! 
<turbokev> mine costed $15000 
<Mimi_> sheesh! 
<Countryb> my cart was 34000! 
<Mooooooo> $15000 
<Countryb> oops 3400 
<lotaca> try going to district operations manager 
<turbokev> i don't know 
<Mooooooo> diamond studded? 
<lotaca> if that doesn't work go regional 
<lotaca> don't stop till they help 
<Mimi_> I think I'm going to start a wheelchair company... 
<lotaca> many $ to be made there 
<turbokev> i think medical companies take advantage 
<Countryb> I know they do!] 
<turbokev> fulchers 
<Mimi_> soooo true... 
<turbokev> yep 
<HelloKit> Well guys, I'm not feeling too great... 
<Mimi_> awww, Carly.... 
<lotaca> you bet they do, an engineer took a look at a 
    chair for me, said 150 tops 
<Countryb> we just built me a cart carrier for a class 3 
    hitch for 100.00! they start at 500.00! 
<HelloKit> Mooooooo, can you stop the log for me when 
    things die down? 
<Mooooooo> okay Carly 
<lotaca> sorry kit, get better soon 
<HelloKit> See you all later. 
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<lotaca> bye 
<Mooooooo> bye Carly! 
<Mimi_> I hope you feel better 
<haa> lotaca you get used to when do not have a choice 
    -- i suggest you stop asking and gently but firmly tell 
    people what to do and don't forget the thank you 
<turbokev> carly i hope u feel better 
<Countryb> we could sell them for 250.00 and make a great 
    profit! 
<turbokev> your right 
<Countryb> an electric carrier starts at 1500.00! 
<Countryb> a manual crank up one runs 600! 
<turbokev> i just got my chair modified 
<Mooooooo> how often do you have to replace the batteries 
<Countryb> theres nothibng to them either! 
<Mooooooo> My friend got a golf cart to get around and he 
    got busted by the cops 
<turbokev> every year 
<Countryb> they run off car's battery 
<lotaca> I've always been afraid of being turned down, so 
    I don't ask, of course I don't have much, but that's life 
<turbokev> lol 
<Countryb> oic cart bateries? I need to change mine they 
    want 135.00! who helps with that? 
<turbokev> i have three batteries on my chair 
<Mooooooo> he got it donated by Lions Club 
<Countryb> medicare will pay 80 % after i meet 100.00 
    deductable 
<lotaca> I look at situations., places, things, and I weigh 
    the difficulty vrs success possibilities and wheel away 
<Mooooooo> they also gave him a van so his mom can take 
    him places 
<turbokev> 1 for the ventilator and 2 for the chair 
<Countryb> and to meet that I am goin to mda checkup they 
    get 150..00 for that! 
<turbokev> bye 
<lotaca> I hate making a scene and put others in a bad 
    light 
<turbokev> i have to go 
<Countryb> bye turb 
<Mooooooo> bye kev 
<lotaca> bye 
<Wheelin> bye Kev 
<Mimi_> you leaving, Kevin? 
<Mimi_> :o( 
<Countryb> squeeky wheel gets greesion 
<Mooooooo> some times a scene is good 
<turbokev> mda in kentucky doesn't do checkups anymore 
<Mooooooo> gets action 
<Mimi_> Come back soon, Kevin! 
<Countryb> wow 
<Countryb> mda in mich doesnt do batteries anymore 
<lotaca> maybe, but there are others that are disabled and 
    people think that's all we do 
<Countryb> why would mda be different in each state? 
* turbokev is at turbokev@iglou.com 
* Countryb says Hey boys and girls check out my natural 
    homepage at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4258/ 
<lotaca> a geocitizen :-) 
<turbokev> i don't know 
<Countryb> :) 
<Mooooooo> maybe each state has its own charter 
<Countryb> seems strange 
<haa> i think to need to fight for your rights especially 
    when you can not stand up 
<Countryb> maybe it isnt lol maybe my check up isnt 
    covered? 
<Countryb> they sent me a notice though 
<turbokev> countryb re do ur web homepage address 
<Countryb> and still have it on md days 
<lotaca> ii 
* Countryb says Hey boys and girls check out my natural 
    homepage at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4258/ 
<turbokev> i didn't see it 
<Countryb> ok? 
<lotaca> try/HotSprings/4503 
<Mooooooo> http://www.geocities.com/~mooooooo/ (yes, 7 o's) 
<turbokev> any relation to the singer 
<Countryb> do that again without the try so url catcher 
    gets it ok? 
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