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Participants:
  HandiBot
  lisiado
  Lily
  CincyKid
  ChanServ
  In
  ellie
  HelloKit (disabled@softhome.net)
  DocKeaggy
  In-
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<ellie> in have got mirc installed yet 
<Lily> i almost put my fist thro mine, today 
<In-> ellie no installed Daniel's program 
<ellie> great excercise lily 
* HelloKit walks sometimes, and other times does aerobics. 
<Lily> thx, ellie:) 
* DocKeaggy plays basketball and golf 
<ellie> i excercise my right arm alot 
<DocKeaggy> smooth 
<ellie> glass to mouth..glass to mouth 
<DocKeaggy> hehe 
<Lily> same here, but my left 
<HelloKit> I also enjoy swimming, but don't get to often. 
<DocKeaggy> these meetings are fun:) 
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<In-> I exercise my arms, hands, & mouth 
<DocKeaggy> hey there debbie 
<Lily> glad your enjoying this, doc:))) 
<jrt> hello sorry that i am late:) 
<In-> hi jrt 
<Lily> hi, jrt 
<DocKeaggy> no worries 
<ellie> hi jrt 
<Lily> np, jrt 
<jrt> cant say in irc,lol 
<HelloKit> lol Debbie! 
<HelloKit> You naughty girl you... 
<In-> lol 
<DocKeaggy> hehehe 
<Lily> lol 
<DocKeaggy> smooth 
<jrt> sorry :) 
<HelloKit> In what ways, if any, do you adapt your 
    physical activities to your disability? 
<HelloKit> And no Debbie, I don't mean your idea of 
    exercise... ;o) 
<jrt> umm, none really, dont liked getting poked in the 
    eye:) 
<DocKeaggy> hehe 
<In-> lol 
<HelloKit> I use slightly slower music for aerobics so I 
    can keep up with the beat without giving myself a heart 
    attack. 
* jrt will behave:) 
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<DocKeaggy> like what kit, slow dance:) 
<DocKeaggy> hi laura 
<Lily> can't do aerobics, fall over...which is messy 
<Laura3> hi 
<jrt> Hi Laura:) 
<HelloKit> No, not that slow... just not as fast as what 
    most people use. 
<In-> Hi Laura 
<ellie> cant do anything...which is even messier 
<DocKeaggy> hehe, just messin' 
<DocKeaggy> I see 
<In-> me either ellie 
<jrt> I love aeroobics, but get puffed to easy 
<Laura3> probs with connecting sorry where are we?] 
<DocKeaggy> Kit, I was only playing, I practically have to 
    use slow dance to do arobics 
<Lily> nowhere 
<In-> u too, Laura 
<DocKeaggy> I stink at them 
<HelloKit> For swimming I have to wear inflatable water 
    wings or I sink ;o) 
<ellie> i guess this meeting is not for me 
<jrt> now I could swim all day, just need a pool:) 
<ellie> i come here to forget my disabilities not be 
    reminded of them 
<Laura3> I fear water but would like to try a whirlpool 
    again 
<HelloKit> Yeah that's my problem too Debbie... lol 
<In-> ellie r u para? 
<DocKeaggy> I'm not disabled, so I really shouldn't be here 
    either. 
<ellie> what difference does it make 
<jrt> we are all here trying to help one nother ellie:) 
<In-> sorry ellie, didn't mean to be nosy, I am 
<Laura3> we do a lot of brainstorming too 
<DocKeaggy> but I am here:) 
<ellie> oh im sorry in didnt mean to snap 
<jrt> another 
<In-> paralyzed that is 
<ellie> i have ms 
<In-> ellie me too] 
<In-> that stupid key 
<Laura3> I know 
<In-> how long have u had it ellie 
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<ellie> 7 years 
<jrt> thats okay ellie:) 
<Laura3> I have probs with it as well 
<Lily> problem is, we all have such different ones, 
    meetings make me feel different, other times i'm just me 
<HelloKit> Ellie we don't have these meetings to dwell on 
    our disabilities or feel sorry for ourselves. The purpose 
    is to share ideas and information which can be helpful for 
    us to live normal lives. 
<In-> I have had it for 25 
<ellie> we cant live normal lives 
<DocKeaggy> and I''m here to say hi to friends 
<ellie> isnt that the point 
<DocKeaggy> :) 
<jrt> hey ellie i look at it l;ike this, 'what is 
    normal'??? 
<In-> yes we can ellie, I do, and have used chair for 19 
    yrs. 
<Lily> and u do it well, too, doc! 
<ellie> i know what normal is...its what i want 
<DocKeaggy> hehe. thnx 
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<HelloKit> No, not at all. I live as 'normal' a life as 
    possible and don't let my disability dictate what I will 
    and won't do. 
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<DocKeaggy> ellie, being like everyone else isn't all there 
    is to life 
<In-> there are alot of things I can't do that I use to, 
    just thanful for what I still can do ellie:)))) 
<ellie> no but its a good start 
<In-> glad u r here doc:))) 
<DocKeaggy> thnx 
<jrt> being happy and getting the most out of life is 
    what its all about 
<DocKeaggy> yup 
<In-> I agree 
<In-> Laura, did u have prob. with Daniel's program too? 
<HelloKit> Do those of you who do exercise have anything 
    that you have not yet figured out how to adapt or work 
    around? 
<In-> don't mean to change subject 
<DocKeaggy> ya, this thing that I spent 75 bucks on:) 
<Lily> but we have to accept the reality of some 
    limitations....like i cudn't climb a ladder, for eg 
<Lily> lol 
<jrt> well I do get a sore lower back, but have found 
    using one of those ab roller things helps put less strain 
    on my back 
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<Laura2> ok 
<DocKeaggy> that's what I have, an ab roller, I haven't 
    figured it out 
<DocKeaggy> debbie, how do you use those things? 
<DocKeaggy> hi Laura 
<Lily> doc, did you buy something from the shopping 
    channel? 
<DocKeaggy> yup 
<DocKeaggy> my mistake:) 
<Laura2> lol 
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<DocKeaggy> hi Ray 
<jrt> lay on your back with your legs bent up and use 
    your arms to pull yourself up 
<Lily> we bot one, but the dog ate it 
<Laura2> hi ray 
<In-> ellie, do u get tired easily? 
<In-> hi ray 
<jrt> Hi ray:) 
<ellie> yes in 
<Lily> hi, ray 
<ellie> i have to pace myself 
<Ray-1> Hi all. 
<In-> me too ellie, 
<ellie> hi ray 
<DocKeaggy> thnx deb, I've been trying to use my stomach 
    muscles for that ooops 
<Lily> me, too 
<jrt> :) 
<In-> same here, which I find it hard to do 
<ellie> getting through a days work is enough excercise for 
    me 
<jrt> ellie have you tried water areobics?? 
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<DocKeaggy> hi rose 
<Lily> hi, rose 
<ellie> nope dont fancy the humiliation 
<Laura2> I can become tired easily, not always 
<jrt> Hi rose:) 
<In-> where do u work ellie? 
<In-> hi rose 
<rose^> hi everyone 
<ellie> university of northumbria 
<ellie> hi rose 
<DocKeaggy> are you a professor? 
<In-> u a teacher 
<ellie> yes 
<Laura2> hi rose 
<DocKeaggy> smooth! 
<DocKeaggy> you kick butt, you know that? 
<DocKeaggy> :) 
<In-> I had to gived up work 19 yrs. ago ellie 
<HelloKit> How many who do not exercise would like to find 
    some way to become more active? 
<ellie> sorry to hear that in 
<In-> Laura, do u have MS? 
<Laura2> I would 
<Laura2> no in 
<jrt> can you do much walking ellie?? 
<Laura2> CP 
<In-> me too 
<ellie> no icant walk or stand 
<ellie> paralysed 
<Ray-1> I've sort of been forced to. 
<In-> u use chair too ellie 
<ellie> yes 
<jrt> sorry just tgrying to think of a low inpact 
    exercise:) 
<ellie> just got a new chair 
<DocKeaggy> brb 
<Laura2> I can crawl, but my knees are arthritic 
<In-> Laura, u use chair too don't ya?:) 
<Laura2> or something similar 
<Laura2> yes 
<Laura2> it could just be spasticity 
<Laura2> but I think it's more 
<In-> I crawl when I fall to go to the phone to call 
    someone to pick me up 
<Ray-1> I work at a computer 8 hrs a day and yesterday I 
    started having real bad leg cramps. Too much inactivity. 
<jrt> pity they dont have riding for the disabled for 
    adults over there:/ 
<In-> I hate spasms, and my legs r starting to get like 
    that now, so thnk will have to go soon 
<HelloKit> I have that problem too, Ray, but lately it 
    seems like every time I decide to get up and away from 
    the computer, I hurt myself :o/ 
<Ray-1> I have CP like you do, Laura. 
<Laura2> has anyone tried parrafin for spasms/stiffness/pain? 
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<Laura2> you do? 
<In-> nope 
<Lily> night all 
<Laura2> wow I met A girl yesterday who did too 
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<In-> ellie, do u have to take alot of meds? 
<ellie> night lily 
<In-> nite Lily 
<Laura2> night Lily 
<rose^> night Lily:o) 
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<HelloKit> Are there any specific activities you'd like to 
    be able to do? Do you have any ideas for adapting them? 
<ellie> no not anymore in 
<^Raven^> hihi 
<ellie> just for my bladder 
<rose^> night all 
<In-> what do u take for that, I take septra 
<ellie> night rose 
<In-> nite rose 
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<Laura2> I'd like to try horseback riding again 
<jrt> one activity I am going to do again very soon is 
    start horse riding:) 
<ellie> i takd dilantin 
<In-> nite everybody, getting real tired, take care ttyl 
<ellie> or oxybutanin 
<jrt> night in:) 
<ellie> nite in 
<^Raven^> night 2 
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<Laura2> last time I became to stiff and I not sure how 
    to reduce that 
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<jrt> what horseback riding??? 
<Laura2> yes 
<ellie> goodnight all 
<jrt> night ellie:) 
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<jrt> ummm unortunately the more you ride the less stiff 
    you get, thats about the only cure I know for that 
    laura:) 
<jrt> unfortunately 
<HelloKit> If you don't know what you'd like to do for 
    exercise, how does your disability limit what you can do? 
    Does anyone else have suggestions for these people? 
<jrt> I know I am going to be stiff and sore for weeks 
    when I start to ride again 
<DocKeaggy> back 
<DocKeaggy> my suggestion is experiment 
<jrt> wb doc:) 
<DocKeaggy> thnx 
<Laura2> my spasticity increased a lot when I was seven 
<HelloKit> Are there any other tips or tricks you'd like 
    to share, or questions you'd like to ask? 
<jrt> yeah even the siplest thing to some people might be 
    a major advance to others, and there are lots of different 
    ways to excersize, that may not be the norm 
<Laura2> what experiment, doc? 
<jrt> simplest 
<Laura2> I'm going to by a finger exerciser that increases 
    fine motor control 
<DocKeaggy> Kit asked if you had any suggestions for people 
    who'd like to excercise. 
<jrt> I say get out ther and give what ever you are 
    comfortable with a go 
<Laura2> I know:) slow typing 
<Laura2> trust yourself 
<Laura2> be gentle with yourself physically 
<jrt> even sitting doing muscle exercises is better than 
    doing nothing at all 
<Laura2> try to find a balance, which is harder than it 
    seems 
<Ray-1> Are there any exercises anybody can recommend to 
    strengthen leg muscles? 
<Laura2> I do stretching 
<Laura2> do you have spasms Ray? 
<Ray-1> Yes, they started recently. 
<jrt> um, try putiing a plastuic bag filled with something 
    weighty, and sit and try and lift the bag with your leg 
<Laura2> try to stretch a little past the point when you 
    feel it kick in 
<jrt> the bag is round your ankle:) 
<Ray-1> Hey, that's good. thanx. 
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<Laura2> what if you can't sit in a position that's 
    conducive to that ellie? 
<HelloKit> Velcro ankle weights work well also. 
<Laura2> ok 
<jrt> Hi Lily:) 
<Lily> hi 
<DocKeaggy> brb 
<Laura2> and move slowly, Ray. Spasms are exacerbated by 
    quick movement 
<Ray-1> Dumb question: Where would I find those weights, 
    Hellokit? 
<HelloKit> oops 
<Laura2> lol 
<jrt> anyways people, sorry i have to get going but john 
    will be home soon, he has to go to the dentist, but I 
    will be back later:) 
<Laura2> ok Deb 
<Lily> bye jrt:) 
<jrt> byes for noe:) 
<HelloKit> Not sure Ray... when I used them it was at 
    school, the school bought them. 
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<Laura2> me too 
<Lily> we have some, bot at a sports store 
<HelloKit> I would guess a sports store or something. 
<Laura2> ok cool 
<Ray-1> Great, thanks. 
<HelloKit> Well, I think we're about done for the night. 
    Anyone object to turning the logs off? 
<Lily> btw, judi says hi, her puter died on her 
<Ray-1> No and thanks for all the info, everyone. 
<Laura2> no carly 
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