*** LOG OPENED: Wed Apr 15 18:25:54 1998 --- Participants: HandiBot Chan lisiado Emilie (melief@hotmail.com) ChanServ Mooooooo (dse@pacific.net) rosie_ Lily HelloKit (carlym@u.washington.edu) jrt (twyford@sv.net.au) Todd rose phoenyxx --- spring cleaning what, carly? I hire everybody to do the work I can't i am ready :) the house and stuff?? Cleaning Slinky Toys, Lily. How many do your own house cleaning and would like to find ways to make the tasks easier? me!!! I do and would love to find out how to make it easier everyone! :o) the worst thing is that it just gets dirty again * Chan lives with his folks...they do the cleaning I know one way but means you can never live in your house,lol making it easier- what's worked for me is working out a way to keep some things out that I need to get to rather than trying to always put things away. lol jrt sounds weird but it's easier for me to do that than to constantly make a mess to clean up always looking for things. i do that too thats my system too yeah thried that pheonyxx, but just ended up with toys everywhere *** hghlndr has joined #disabled everyone else calls it 'mess' tried I try to do that too, but no one believes me that it's what works for me: they just say I'm being lazy. like putting cooking utensils in a crock but when it comes to something like dusting, its easier if you have as little as possible lyiing around *** beetlebug has joined #Disabled My apartment was always cluttered because I never had a place to put things. Lots of tapes lying around for example. hello beetle like putting dirty clothes in a hamper Hey bbug anyone know how to vacuum in a chair? howdy folks and dusting those areas you can't get to from the chair? Sarahs room is the classic, dont put it away,lol i have someone come in and do the heavy stuff chair? please tell HI beetle:) Hi Hghlndr:) hello,jrt that works for me daniel.....toss it right that moment or I'll forget and then clothes or other things pile up :-) simon, you attach a vaccum cleaner to a dog and toss buscuits in the hard to clean places Todd- wheelchair I mean you need one of those long handled things that you rub on the tv to make it charged and then its supposed to just attract the dust lol and it bends around corners I like that Daniel! :-) there you go! rosie- I've seen those. neat! Does anyone already have any modified techniques which you use in cleaning? but there is a serious problem with that yeah I've seen them rosie:) i do;nt know if they work though when the dog sniffs someones backside they get stuck rofl lol lol I would like to know how you would in a chair, since that includes me. any ideas or they make a friends for life ummmmm,making sure that nothing is too high for me to reach or trip over:) i use a mop to scrub the shower or bathtub jrt: same for me. can't have shelves too high i don't know todd, i just don't vacuum I have a little like box thing to stand on, so I can reach places If you have the resources, pay to have it done yeah would love too *** bob has joined #Disabled if those jokers at Area 51 would just release their anitgrav technology to the public I'd be able to get to the high shelves :-) hey,bob my husband gave me a cleaning lady as a birthday gift But i always take the easy way out hi bob hi bob hi Hey bob its hard to find good cleaning ladys/men that don;t cost too much yeah I would feel kind of lazy then, I dont know?? hi bob all I would really like is a well trained family,lol lol this one just comes every other week, for 4 hrs at my apartment the kitchen wasn't too hard to clean but sweeping the kitchen floor and trying to vacuum the carpet was hard without help. That would be cool, Simon :o) me too, jrt LOL *** mrsd81 has joined #Disabled When you look up the word lazy; there i'am sure would be cool Carly :-) hi everyone! just a joke hi hi mrsd81:) hey 81 hi mrs I have dreams all the time that I can fly... only it's more like swimming in the air. I'm not sure about other areas but here most houses and apartments are carpeted....I'd like to see more hard floors, it would be so much easier to clean. How are things tonight...what's the topic? Carly: I've had dreams like that! same here, carly! Whoa... purgo the way to go lazy spelled sideways is convenunce i love those flying dreams... it means that you are happy :) I saw remote control vacum cleaners on the TV not that long ago lol bb oh cool jrt really? that's nice *** guest has joined #Disabled We aren't that advanced here. if I had a robotic vacuum cleaner I'd get one that looked like a Dalek. just to freak people out :-) lol hi guest 'I'm not going to vacuum until Sears makes one you can ride on.' -Rosanne mrs81: our current technology is worthless. hello guest hello everyone hi, guest lol kit rosie: a Dr. Who fan? A riding avcuum...kids would love it! they were in the US i think?? ummm sort of... i used to watch it when i was little... i'm only 22 it used to scare me sometimes Hi guest:) rosie: it ran in the US for a long time, and I got hooked on it :-) rosie - boo Dr who was toooo wierd for me. * phoenyxx is 27 btw mrs81: never too weird! :-) guest has a teenage son, great for spring cleaning one episode where the plant grew and took over the house really scared me *** Diablo1 has joined #Disabled hello all Hi Diablo:) hello diablo :) long time no see ....actually the robot vacuum cleaner at my house would be something for the dogs to play chicken with :-) my teenageson is into teenage girls rosie: where are you from? Hey! :o) every time i get something automatic or that makes things easy ,I hear other's say my but you have it easy,and I could tear my hair out hello Diablo! sydney australia hi Diablo hey there's nothing wrong with that back to the topic! rosie: just curious :-) I have a 9yu daughter that thinks cleaning is a dirty word What are some cleaning-related tasks which you would like to find a way to adapt? so what is tonight's topic Except you guys have practically already answered this one... lol since i don't do cleaning i wouldn't know all of the above, sorry now that the kids don't live at home, its dirt not mess Self cleaning windows an easier way to wash my back in the shower, maybe. *** hghlndr has left irc (Read error to hghlndr 198.7.178.10]: Connection reset by peer) and mirrors lol chan all i have to do is keep my room clean and since i don't do anyhting do amke it dirty i don't have to worry about anything ;) rosie *** bob has left irc (bob) self cleaning dishes and floors:) how to dust higher places when you can't lift your arms at all *** guest has left irc (guest) that's a good one hello how about a modified wheel chair to work with cleaning aids *** bob has joined #Disabled if you can hold something then you can use that long handled thing that was talking about earlier Maybe a maid like Alice on the Brady Bunch you don;t have to lift your arms at all Brady Bunch was an affront to our culture :-) how about a wheel chair that has a pop-down broom on it so you can sweep while getting around * HelloKit hmms. yeah as long as I dont become Marsha,lol There you go... I like that! *** kcaj has joined #disabled thats a good idea Hi kcaj yeah like a street cleaner truck lol ....no arm problems for me but carpal tunnel syndrome flares up really bad. I've tried using my 'grabber' to hold a dustrag and that's worked sometimes. wow i used my head for something else besides a hat rack i have a lhasa apso with long hair i just spray with end dust and she cleans for me Diablo: and it can also be used to chase pets :-) lol bob: lol! yeah *** ChanServ has left irc (lost in the netsplit) How do you clean the dog Bob? another one: spray cans/bottles... I don't have enough strength to spray most of them or shake them or how about for those of us with arthritis and stuff like that havent got that one yet what about the pump up type Carly?? easy to hold tools no screw top bottles they use air pressure that is pumped into them to spray I wonder if those dust ionizers really work? I can do the ones with the narrow pump that sticks up high enough, like Windex. But air fresheners, Pledge, etc... forget it. they work, jrt I think they do bettle Thjose manga-duster work okay *** NaxMan has joined #disabled but? not really sure and now dont laugh, but a wrench that is used to remove oil filters works really well on some screw top lids Carly- they've got those empty spray bottles you can put anything in....perhaps putting liquid cleaners in one of those might help. *** kcaj has left irc (Leaving) they do bug jrt: actually a good idea on that! every now and then I can't get new jelly or peanut butter jars open. Good idea, but that won't work for stuff that comes in aerosol cans. how well ? Carly: no, I mean some furniture polishes and cleaners come in normal containers, you just pour them into the sprayers. *** Laura2 has joined #Disabled Vim is a real cleaner for hetting black marks off of walls and so on from chars hey laura rose: get all black furniture to avoid that :-) hello Laura hi laura Hi Laura ummm, maybe you could find a place that sells air freshners and stuff in likt bulk or something like that?? I've heard from my mother that they work bbug. me clean, never :o) i like that even better there must be some alternatice products that do the same jobs that don;t come in aerosols my mom used to be a clean freak but she got out of that stage I have a coal furnace and was wondering about the dust/ *** nadja has joined #disabled welcome with us nadja :) Maybe a janitorial supply store? beetle try an ionizer hi everyone....don't have much time....tutoring soon...just checking in hi nadja hi There are some air fresheners that come in a little decorative thing you push down against the table instead of holding it up and spraying... I just worry about my hand covering the nozzle when I spray it. yeh we have those carly We have alot of dust here in the desert, nothing works perfectly. that would work for me *** ChanServ has joined #disabled Does anyone have any suggestions for these or any other house cleaning tasks? hey we used to have these things that you could stick anywhere and they would hold arosol cans mrsd81 where are you from? and all you had to do to get the arosol cans to spray was to like touch the thingy *** Chan has left irc (Leaving) where do you get them? not sure Since I never clean, Everyone Have A Great Evening!!! The new shoewer cleaners work, you just spray after each shower, and you don't get the build up another good cleaning produce taht helps when you clean the bathroom is shower power, rosie would have heard of it? you just spray or wipe it on and leave for a few mins and it cleans the shower, bath what ever just know we had them bye, todd later todd yeh i think we have some of that but i never used it it works well Oh, btw, the w/c-attached broom gave me an idea for vacuuming... and for outside cleaning that new windex stuff you attach onto you garden hose really works good to hey I know what about stick in clips, plastic ones, you can get then in all different sizes, maybe even to fir a spray can *** Todd has left irc (Read error to Todd ow36.tir.com]: Connection reset by peer) in=on (especially if you hook it up to a power washeer hose like mine but also works great with normal hoses what r they, Debbie? What if you use a canister vac instead of an upright, and somehow attach the hose or attachment to your chair? now that's an idea, just remember to keep the hose from getting tangled :-) That's how we play hockey at camp... hehe that would be great! now, carly, what about those of us who tremble on one side and can't do any of this? um they have like double sided tape on the back, and they are like 2 half circles i'm lost on what you are talking about what do they do? *** NaxMan has left #disabled what are they period i have never heard of those jrt they are like c's only sideways hold stuff? got to go cant t;ype anymore see you all tomorrow sorry,guyz dotta go! they are in the supermarkets and those cheap shops bye bob, beetle cant think of there proper name take care *** bob has left irc (bob) bye bob, beetle bye to those who are leaving us bye bob bye rosie bye bettle:) *** beetlebug has left irc (Read error to beetlebug mdm82.shol.com]: Connection reset by peer) some of the bewst holding stuff that is easy to remove and is reusable is the stick puddy puddy=putty or lots of velcro everywhere :-) brb like a plastic spring clip W back i hate velcro Where is everyone from? west virgina :) quebec, canada nova scotia California sydney australia Diablo, velcro came out our glorious space program. W V is beatiful. I miss green <----San Antonio, Texas, in the USA. carly, what about the others of us, who have other disabilities? yeah but i still hate velcro brisbane,australia like what *** elisabeth has joined #disabled hemiplegia? (velcro is too loud hello elisabeth :) Hi Elizabeth does anybody know what a spring clip looks like?? sorry don't really know what that is Me, diablo? Hi Lisa:) nope hi elisabeth yeah i meant you no jrt i don;t lily hi lisa good to see u I don't know Lily, be more specific and maybe we can help. like um what you might use in an aquarium, maybe hello jrt, thank you so much for the card hi rose and laura or like they use to hold tubing in place say on a car engine not really sure no, debbie well, i tremble on the right side, so a lot of these ideas won't work if you've only got 1 hand hey on stuff likeyou are talking about jrt *** fence has joined #disabled I would like to know where to get a keyboard for someone with limited hand control. hi seth :) hiya Em they have these little clips that have a clip on both ends okay I will get on down the shop,scan it and send you a pic of it:) I am basically one-handed too so you can hold stuff in place and use both hands at the same time mmooo, what is everyone talking about are you, laura? like the ones to close bags? will have a pic of one for you all tommorrow:) elis we are talking about stuff that will help out whilke doing chores Where do you live, Mrs.? ok i want to seee it Yes, lily kind of, like ones that say hold pens and pencils to the wall by hte way as soon as i can get to a scanner i will have a pic too diablo, who is whilke only bigger New Mexico. But from Georgia. Stuck here due to husbands job (it's of me with my beatiful dread locks i know what you mean now jrt :) much more limited and weak on right side mrs, my brother lives in nm, nice state whilke=while Elisabeth. Summers too hot. No green thanks diablo as soon as you see what I mean you will know them np mrs, i agree, no green same here, no good to use the right hand for anything fine it sticks on the wall and has little claw things and when you pull the pen out the claws let go and when you want to put the pen back in, the claws close and hold it in place but I'm trying to increase my control on right side rose, u still here? yes what happened to moooooooo yes rosie!!!!!!! good:) can you get them any bigger ? cool I think I have seen them bigger laura, what exercises do you do for it? :) L thankyou someone knows what I mean:) heheeh I had to leave for a few minutes, back now sorry jrt still clueless * phoenyxx is in standby mode :-) where do you live, mrs. but as long as you are happy i'm happy * Diablo1 asks all in the room if they want someting to drink I don't know who jo is. massage, rolling ball around with it, anything to make motion more precise I will still get one and show you:) Jo- was last on IRC channel #Disabled 1 hour, 26 minutes ago. must go now, bye everyone - lovely meeting kit I work with disabled. What can people do to make things easier in places like stores? goo dat least she is still coming here hehehe I could say something..... there you go bye lily i will have to stop in a tthe right time and visit her bye lily bye lily later lily to make things easier in stores I take my friends, Heckler and Koch, along with me :-) *** Lily has left irc (Leaving) Since I couldn't come up with many questions for this topic, I want to spend the rest of the meeting brainstorming for future meetings and newsletters. Are there any specific topics you'd like to see covered in a meeting? nope Tell me more Phoenyxx Oh good, thanks Jason :oP *** Ray-1 has joined #disabled Carly: how about how to find out how people got on the mailing list who didn't sign up :-) you could have the workers help with the hard to reach things how about one on dating Hey Ray I dunno, I will go along with what ever:) lol there is a specialized computer place in California, mrs....they might be able to refer you moo, that is a good one, hello:-) mrs81: well it might get me into trouble..... jrt... what about your cooking lesson...hehehe 'how to pick up gimps' ;o) yeah that would be a good one daniel:) Hi, carly. i don't know how many times i would be in a store siting there for like 30 minutes waiting for someone to wander by so i could see something that was on the top shelf :-( am I lagging *** CB has joined #disabled She signed up, Simon, she just didn't know that was what she doing at the time... some people just go around filling in forms and never really pay attention to what the forms are for. yeah we could have one on cooking lessons?? I agree Diablo. I am 5 feet, or 1.5 meters tqall, and everything is on the top shelves. It embarrassing to ask for help. Carly: sounds like a newcomer to the net :-) *** nadja has left #disabled mrs81: I'm 5'4', sitting only 4'5' so everything is out of reach sometimes. *** nate has joined #disabled ummm we could have one on how to find single females for all the single guys on here:) nad the newer doors that open like byfoldoing doors are also nice