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Participants:
  disabled
  ChanServ (nanook@eskimo.com)
  Lonewolf
  Mimi
  MsAmazin
  Ais
  Mooooooo (azdse@uswest.net)
  anny1
  Kark
  In
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<Mimi> IN!!!!!!!! 
<Mimi> how are you? :o) 
<Lonewolf> Welcome to the meeting 
<Lonewolf> Tonight we are abandoning the topic and having a 
    memorial service 
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<Lonewolf> We have lost three members recently 
<Lonewolf> Seth 
<Lonewolf> Jeff 
<Lonewolf> and Ellie 
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<Lonewolf> Tonight needs to be a celebration of their lives 
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<Lonewolf> so let's try to remember good things too 
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<Mimi> hi Laura :o) 
<Lonewolf> Ais, I guess you knew Seth the best 
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<Lonewolf> wanna share wiith us? 
<WonderW> hi Mimi :) 
<Ais> ok..just don't know where to begin.. 
<Lonewolf> first thought that comes to mind 
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<Ais> well obviously that would be furniture and all of 
    the nicks that followed that one.. 
<Lonewolf> yes Lily and I rearranged him for ages 
<Ais> he had an ability to make me laugh like no one 
    else 
<Lonewolf> everyone just jumo in-no strict rules tonight 
<Mimi> you were probably one of the first to discover that 
    Ais 
<Mimi> took me a while :o) 
<Lonewolf> how come Mimi? 
<In> I thought he was nice the first time I met him. 
<Mimi> Well, we were kind of like water and electricity 
<Lonewolf> oh IC 
<Mimi> when I first met him, he was causing trouble all 
    the time, fighting with jhn and using foul language 
<Mimi> I banned him liberally :o) 
<Lonewolf> you were pretty close in the end weren't you 
<Mimi> yep 
<Mimi> when ket died he was so distraught 
<Mimi> I reached out to him, and we connected then 
<Lonewolf> yes I remember that 
<Mimi> we had pretty intimate chats 
<Lonewolf> wasn't he engaged? 
<atrpilot> ais ,didn't know him hon ,age dis, where from 
    and ect.!!!! 
<jrt> he and I had our diagreaments but we always made up 
<Mimi> yes, last I heard from him he had asked Lucinda to 
    marry him :o) 
<Lonewolf> aww 
<Mimi> she was a real blessing to him 
<Lonewolf> was his death expected? 
<WonderW> yes 
<Mimi> not by me it wasn't 
<WonderW> she weas 
<Lonewolf> oh IC 
<WonderW> was 
<Lonewolf> I talked to him the day before he died 
<Mimi> what did he say, Judi? 
<Lonewolf> just that he was sick 
<In> I talked 2 him 2 days b4 
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<Lonewolf> lungs, e said 
<Lonewolf> did you In? 
<Mimi> I talked to him a couple days before, too 
<Lonewolf> anyone know how Lucinda is? 
<Mimi> he had reached out to me, and he said he wanted 
    to talk to me, but he was so lagged it was hard to 
    converse 
<Lonewolf> oh 
<Mimi> and that was the last time we spoke :o( 
<Ais> i talked to lucinda yesterday 
<Lonewolf> how is she taking it? 
<Mimi> Ais, can you give Lucinda my email address? When 
    Seth and I spoke he said he wanted her to talk to me, 
    and that she had been waiting for me to show up 
<Ais> yes, i will 
<Kim^^> who is lucinda? 
<Lonewolf> I remember how angry he was for a while 
<Lonewolf> his fiancee 
<Mimi> he was SO angry 
<Lonewolf> yes 
<Lonewolf> then when I talked to him next-I thought it as 
    a different guy 
<Ais> seth and i clicked right away..from the very first 
    time i met him 
<Lonewolf> that's great ais 
<WonderW> he healed well emotionally 
<Mooooooo> seth and i didn't get along at all until Ket 
    died. i think I klined him a hundred times. i don't kick 
    someone who is already down and we came to be on great 
    terms. he really was a cool guy 
<Ais> he was, and soo funny and so kind 
<Mooooooo> and ever sence then, he wouldn't leave unless i 
    kicked him :o) 
<In> when I talked 2 him last, ais was the only person 
    he talked about 
<Lonewolf> that's funny Mooooooo 
<In> hope u do not mind me telling that ais 
<Ais> its ok in 
<In> he thought alot of u Daniel.....he told me that 2 
<Mimi> he told me that too, Daniel :o) 
<Mimi> at first it was in a grudging sort of way 
<Mimi> :o) 
<Mooooooo> i couldnt talk to him on the last day because 
    it was so lagged 
<Lonewolf> isn't it funny how sometimes you start out not 
    liking someone then they become a friend 
<Mooooooo> yeah 
<In> that is so true 
<Lonewolf> where did he live? 
<Mooooooo> michigan 
<Lonewolf> ok I know he was burned and had lung damage-but 
    what did he die of? 
<jrt> yeah he lived closest to Het 
<jrt> Ket 
<Lonewolf> ais? 
<Ais> his lungs weren't good and he had a hard time 
    breathing towards the end 
<Lonewolf> from the burns? 
<Ais> yes 
<atrpilot> didn't he get burned in plane crash???? 
<Lonewolf> anybody else? 
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<Lonewolf> oh did e? 
<Lonewolf> he 
<Mimi> well I have something to say about Seth's life 
<Lonewolf> go for it 
<jrt> I have no idea judi?? 
<Mimi> When I met Seth he had no Faith 
<Mimi> I would tell him to pray about something and he'd 
    tell me I don't believe in prayer, Mimi 
<Mimi> very cynical about it 
<Mimi> then he went away for a long time 
<Mimi> he met Lucinda 
<Mimi> he found love, and happiness 
<Kim^^> who is lucinda? 
<Mimi> and she shared her faith with him 
<WonderW> his girlfriend, Kim 
<Mimi> he found faith in God and learned to love and 
    trust Him 
<Kim^^> k thanks 
<Mimi> so, shortly before he died, he found love, joy, and 
    God 
<Lonewolf> that's wonderful 
<zelda> and thats about all we can ask out of life sounds 
    like a full life to me 
<Mimi> I think that the Lord saved his life in that 
    accident so that he would have a chance to do all that 
<jrt> I am so glad 
<Lonewolf> yes zelda 
<Ais> seth will always be a part of me and i will never 
    forget him 
<Mooooooo> he loved you so much, Ais 
<WonderW> he msged me one day when he had just came back, 
    and told me he was happy and loved us all 
<In> yes he did Ais......he told me that 
<Ais> yes, and i am so lucky to have known him i loved 
    him more than anything 
<Lonewolf> how are u holding up ais 
<Ais> i want to say that i know jhn would have liked to 
    be here 
<In> and you will always have that 2 hold on 2 ais 
<Lonewolf> where is he ais? 
<jrt> yes he would have ais 
<jrt> and I might e mail him if I still have his e mail 
<Ais> jhn was his bud, we all had so many good times 
<Ais> and lucinda and dale are hurting alot..dale is lost 
    without his brother 
<zelda> Well I did not know these folks so I am going to 
    let yall share memories of them Have a good night 
<zelda> I think this is a great idea 
<Ais> so, keep them in your prayers 
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<Mimi> night zelda 
<Lonewolf> ok 
<Lonewolf> how old as seth? 
<In> they are ais 
<Mimi> they've been in my prayers 
<In> and so are you ais 
<Lonewolf> ok Jeff 
<Lonewolf> Shann wanted me to give this to you all 
<Lonewolf> Wow where do I begin? 
<Lonewolf> 
<Lonewolf> I knew Jeff for 9 years 8 months. We became 
    instant best friends. 
<Lonewolf> 
<Lonewolf> Jeff was gentle and kind and never thought of 
    himself first. Even when we talked of marriage he wasn't 
    sure he should get married because he knew that something 
    could happen to him or that he could die. 
<Lonewolf> He didn't want to put me through any pain that 
    they may cause, what he came to realize was that the 9 
    years we were together and knew each other would over-ride 
    any pain I'm feeling now because he's gone. 
<Mooooooo> i never talked to him but he had to be as 
    special as she is 
<Lonewolf> I liked the way he wud throw in things having 
    shann type 
<Lonewolf> odd comments here and there 
<Lonewolf> haa? 
<Lonewolf> you knew him 
<WonderW> I love Shann so much, and it was clear Jeff 
    shared her sense of humor 
<haa> He loved green tea :) and modemman sent him a 
    shipment of it :) 
<Lonewolf> his courage was amazing 
<WonderW> :) 
<Lonewolf> aww that's nice haa 
<Lonewolf> such a long battle he fought 
<Lonewolf> remember his birthday? 
<Lonewolf> shann got so excited fixing up surprisea for him 
<Kark> Yes and he fought every step for the love of his 
    shann 
<Lonewolf> yes he did 
<Kark> what was the suprise? 
<Lonewolf> can't remember now 
<Lonewolf> poor shann must be lost 
<Lonewolf> Ellie died last night 
<In> I did not know Jeff, I am just getting 2 talk 2 
    Shann now on pow wow, icq & here & if he was as nice a 
    person as she is......he was very special 
<In> sorry lw 
<Lonewolf> np In 
<Kark> She is brave and feels lucky to have known him 
<Lonewolf> open speaking tonight 
<jrt> I snet a card to Brian today when i found out 
    about ellie 
<jrt> I know he had befriended her 
<WonderW> oh no 
<Lonewolf> yes he was very upset earlier 
<WonderW> I hadn't heard 
<Kark> Shann has inspirational strenght 
<Lonewolf> she sure does 
<WonderW> I'll be praying for Brian, too 
<Lonewolf> I guess I knew Ellie more than the others 
<Kark> what was her user name? 
<Woz> ellie and i had a long talk 1 eve after she came 
    out of the hospital i believe she knew ut was comming 
<Lonewolf> Kim remember the day we sat with her while she 
    drank? 
<Lonewolf> Ellie was her nic 
<Ais> i remember that judi 
<Lonewolf> yup scared us to pieces 
<Woz> i believe she was a very strong person 
<Lonewolf> she was a psychologist I believe 
<Woz> yes 
<Woz> i believe she was a good one 
<Lonewolf> she said she hated to close her practice because 
    she was afraid her patients wouldn't receive proper care 
<jrt> sorry have to go 
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<Kark> How did she pass? 
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<Lonewolf> I'm not sure-just know the cancer won 
<haa> gotta go..talk tya'll later. 
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<Lonewolf> she was on a lot of morphie in the end 
<MsAmazin> g'nite all ...take care! 
<Lonewolf> nite ms 
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<Kark> sad 
<Lonewolf> I really liked talking to ellie 
<Lonewolf> I think her girls are with their dad 
<Woz> yes i did too 
<Lonewolf> we ill miss them all 
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<Lonewolf> this wasn't a very good celebration 
<Kim^^> yea but it's kinda nice when you can miss them 
    with a smile:) 
<Lonewolf> yes it is 
<Kark> Why do you say that LW 
<Lonewolf> they were all special people 
<Lonewolf> I was hoping we would be more upbeat 
<Lonewolf> hard to be when 3 have died so close 
<Woz> sorry thinking of my own mortality 
<Kark> In remembering we celerbrate, you cant help but feel 
    the sadness of the loss at the same time 
<Mooooooo> I know we will seem them again 
<Woz> i lost a friend this week 
<Lonewolf> I guess we all do max during times like this 
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<Kark> I think it was appropereate and due 
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<Kim^^> w2ho woz? 
<Lonewolf> yes we will see them again 
<Kim^^> who 
<Woz> the thing i will miss is his attitude to life 
<Kark> we lived the life/death of Jeff with each other 
    thru E-mail 
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<Lonewolf> yes 
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<Lonewolf> was this a close friend max? 
<Woz> we wer friensd for 25 years 
<Lonewolf> that is hard 
<Kark> When I found that final message I cried and looked 
    for member to chat with 
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<Lonewolf> was anyone around Karen? 
<Woz> he was a very good man 
<In> sorry got disconnected 
<Lonewolf> sorry max 
<Kark> room was emty for days at the times I tried 
<Kark> this was a good closure 
<Lonewolf> you can always e-mail me and I'll meet you 
    Karen 
<Woz> k thanks judy 
<Woz> my wife and will miss him to 
<Kark> Thanks Judy 
<Kim^^> usually empty on weekdays cept for a few times 
    like 11-12 9 a, then after 2 
<Lonewolf> I don't think death is hard for the person. Its 
    hard on those of us left behind 
<Woz> that is very true 
<Lonewolf> I'm glad it helps Karen 
<In> I agree with u lw 
<Lonewolf> we will keep them all in our hearts 
<Ais> definately 
<Kark> yes 
<Woz> i believe life is a stepping stone we are here to 
    learn something 
<Lonewolf> yes max 
<In> yes lw 
<Lonewolf> wish we could have a memorial page 
<Ais> goodnight everyone 
<Lonewolf> nite dear 
<Mooooooo> nite ais *hug* 
<In> night ais, take care 
<atrpilot> i might say this Camille is out ,puter down!!! 
<WonderW> nite Ais 
<WonderW> we love you 
<Lonewolf> IC charlie 
<Woz> if you have a close friend let them know it 
<Kark> When I 1st came to the room there was a memoral 
    on the photo page 
<Woz> hugs heidi 
<Ais> thanks so much, night :) 
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<Lonewolf> Mooooooo what do you think? 
<Mooooooo> I was asked to remove some of the pictures 
<Kark> why Moooooooo 
<Lonewolf> Just names maybe? 
<Mooooooo> yes, we can do names 
<Woz> good 
<In> have 2 go all, take care 
<Kark> Painful for the pictures Mooooo? 
<Lonewolf> night mar 
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<Mooooooo> yes, and family members asked me to remove 
<Lonewolf> wud they object tonames? 
<Kark> I guess I can understand 
<Mooooooo> i dont think they would object 
<Lonewolf> ok 
<Kark> :) 
<Lonewolf> there have been several in the pastyear alone 
<Mooooooo> yep 
<Mimi> sigh 
<Mimi> I've been nostalgic and reading my old logs 
<Lonewolf> I know Catee's brother won't mind 
<Lonewolf> I did that today to Mimi 
<Mimi> Keith, Ket, Seth...and wonderful friends who just 
    disappeared like Emilie, Joel, and Antonios 
<Kark> Maybe a timeline for them, 6 months or something? 
<Mimi> I've been missing them 
<Woz> i feel bad about catee 
<Lonewolf> me too max 
<Woz> i think the names should stay longe than ^ mo 
<Lonewolf> she was just akid 
<Woz> 6 
<Lonewolf> me too 
<Lonewolf> I think they should just stay 
<Woz> at least for a year 
<Lonewolf> anyone else have anything to say? 
<Woz> yes i agree w judi 
<Kark> sounds good 
<Lonewolf> Would someone like to close this meeting in a 
    prayer? 
<Mimi> keep them 
<Mimi> yes, lets do that Judi 
<Lonewolf> go ahead Mimi 
<Mimi> me? 
<Lonewolf> sure 
<Woz> dear heavenly fathe we ask that 
<Lonewolf> anyone can add to it 
<Woz> you bless those that have come in to your house 
<Mimi> welcome them into your presence Lord 
<WonderW> you bless each of us, and help us honor those 
    we have lost 
<WonderW> in our memory 
<Woz> and that you help those thay have left behind 
<Mimi> and comfort those that have been left behind 
<Lonewolf> and have mercy on those of us left behind 
<Mimi> help them all to know that they will be with their 
    loved ones one day with You in Heaven 
<Mimi> and give them the grace to put their hope and 
    their trust in You 
<WonderW> yes 
<Lonewolf> Thank you Lord for letting us know them 
<WonderW> Lord, we praise you for the opportunity to know 
    them 
<WonderW> :) 
<Lonewolf> We ask all this in Christ's name 
<Lonewolf> amen 
<WonderW> and we invite your Spirit to comfort 
<WonderW> amen 
<Woz> amen 
<Mimi> amen 
<Lonewolf> Nite everyone 
<Mimi> night Judi *hugs* 
<WonderW> nite Judi 
<Lonewolf> if anyone needs to talk more please do 
<Woz> nite all & bless all 
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