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Participants:
  HandiBot
  Disabled
  Diablo1
  ChanServ
  Jo-
  jrt (twyford@sv.net.au)
  HelloKit (carlym@u.washington.edu)
  Bubbles-
  turbokev
  judi
  SBWheels (sbeatty@bucknell.edu)
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<HelloKit> LOGGING IS ON 
<jrt> lol 
<SBWheels> hi all 
<Bubbles-> hey steve 
<jrt> Hi wheels:) 
<judi> Carly, I know I messed up on the listerv this 
    week, but when I answered Simon's letter I replied to 
    sender only, not sender and group 
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<HelloKit> Believe it or not... Carly is actually ready for 
    this meeting! :o) 
<HelloKit> np, Judi 
<jrt> WOW!!!!!! 
<HelloKit> lol 
<judi> Hi SBWheels 
<Jo-> good lets go meeting time everyone pay attention. 
<SBWheels> :) 
<jrt> hang on cutecool's not here????? 
<Bubbles-> woohoo 
<Diablo1> hello 
<jrt> rofl 
<SBWheels> ok, who's been showing bubbles and jrt how to 
    do colors??? ;) 
<Jo-> bite your tongue! 
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<HelloKit> All right, are we all ready to start? 
<HelloKit> Mimi!!!!! 
<Diablo1> no 
<judi> ready 
<Bubbles-> :) 
<Diablo1> but go ahead anyways 
<jrt> nobody,why??????? 
<Mimi> hi guys :o) 
<Bubbles-> typical 
<Diablo1> i'll be stopping in from time to time 
<Jo-> color color everywhere 
<jrt> welcome home MIMI!!!!!!!! 
<HelloKit> btw, I don't have my questions pre-typed, so 
    bear with me... 
<judi> Hi Mimi 
<Mimi> thanks debbie :o) 
<jrt> color here and color there 
<Bubbles-> mmmmmmm mimi:) 
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<Jo-> even computer dummy learned how. he he 
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<HelloKit> Has anyone ever had a service animal of some 
    kind? 
<Bubbles-> look what you did deb 
<Bubbles-> hey haa 
<Diablo1> nope but think it would be very cool 
<judi> No, but am looking into it 
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<haa> hello bubbles 
<Mimi2> grr 
<jrt> sorry, but whats a service animal, like a seeing eye 
    dog? 
<Jo-> We had a goat that pulled my brother in a cart 
    because he heart was so bad. 
<haa> hi mimi 
<Bubbles-> my wife services me....she can be an animal 
<HelloKit> Any animal that is trained to help you. 
<HelloKit> lol 
<Diablo1> i guess you could consider my parents service 
    animals 
<judi> yes, jrt, but for the disabled 
<Mimi2> lol 
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<jrt> well, mine were kind of trained by me:) 
<Bubbles-> wb 
<BuBbAgUmP> :) 
<Jo-> Lady in San Angelo had a monkey to do stuff for 
    her, but it bit someone and spca took it. 
<judi> They get things for you, help you up, can even be 
    trained to dial 911 
<jrt> when my eye sight was really bad... 
<Jo-> Now big fight on 
<HelloKit> Aww, that sucks. 
<Mimi2> hi buuba 
<BuBbAgUmP> Hiya Mimi 
<haa> my kids do that judi 
<jrt> Hi Bubba:) 
<Bubbles-> monkey magic 
<jrt> Hi Haa:) 
<Jo-> Yeah it's coming down to a battle over wild animals 
    in city limits and handicap rights. 
<judi> hi Bubba 
<Bubbles-> why are you mimi2? 
<haa> hi jrt 
<jrt> my ponies were trained by me too compensate for my 
    blindness, so are the Jacks 
<judi> There are a few really good web sites for them 
<HelloKit> What are the advantages of owning a service 
    animal? 
<Mimi2> because i dont feel like arguing with nickserv 
    tonight 
<Bubbles-> what is the topi for tonight? 
<judi> Well, I am alone alot and live out in the country, 
    way out in the country 
<Jo-> They can fetch things for you, turn on and off 
    lights, warn you of dangers, tell you when doorbell rings, 
    pick up things you drop. 
<jrt> well the advantage of owning any animal is they will 
    be your friend,guardien with no questions asked, they will 
    love and respect your no matter what you look like 
<Jo-> Bubbles service animals. 
<judi> They can be trained for your special needs 
<Bubbles-> do they wear butler outfits too? 
<Bubbles-> :) 
<judi> I saw a show on using them for Parkinson's patients 
    a few days ago 
<jrt> my 2 Jacks know that I have troun/ble seeing them 
    sometimes and know not too hang around my feet 
<Bubbles-> brush your hair 
<Jo-> They are company, they give you exercise, they help 
    with therapy also. 
* HelloKit thinks maybe animals carry less resentment for 
    having to help you than a human can. 
<judi> They are also used for epileptics, they can sense a 
    seizure coming on 
<SBWheels> some dogs can be trained to sense when a person 
    is about to have a seizure... up to a half hour before 
<judi> so true, HelloKit 
<jrt> and my ponies used too always come running up too 
    me when I called out there names, no matter what the size 
    of the paddock and would stand there quietly for me 
<SBWheels> ha! gmta! 
<Bubbles-> if i know a person is epileptic i can tell 
    when a seizure is coming on too 
<BuBbAgUmP> As for any animal they are a good warning 
    system. They know about dangers b4 we do 
<Jo-> People on duty all the time can get stressed out. 
    With animals to help, reduces amount of time you need 
    people around. 
<Mimi2> how, bubbles?? 
<jrt> I personnally think we as humans owe a lot too 
    domestic animals 
<HelloKit> Good point, Bubba. 
<judi> I read about one service that started the training 
    at their center and then sent a trainer into the person's 
    home for a month of specialized training. 
<Jo-> They can also sense earthquakes and severe weather 
    changes. 
<Bubbles-> little mannerism sthat occur 
<Bubbles-> so can arthritis:) 
<Jo-> Animals are trained by trainers then people are 
    trained, then they work together for a months probations 
    period. 
<judi> Most places make them pass a test every year 
<judi> lol, Bubbles 
<jrt> when ever your feeling down, your pet no matter what 
    it is will come and try too make you happy:) 
<Jo-> Yeah they do a refresher to make sure the animals 
    haven't picked up bad habits from owners. 
<HelloKit> Are there any disadvantages? 
* Mimi2 needs a dog i think :o) 
<judi> I can't figure out why golden retreiverd are 
    considered the best breed 
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<Jo-> Poop control! 
<haa> fleas 
<HelloKit> lol Jo 
<judi> Hi beetle 
<beetlebug> hello,guys 
<jrt> well they are very gentle and are very easy to 
    train:) 
<Bubbles-> hey beetle:) 
<jrt> hi Bettle:) 
<judi> I'm sure they could be trained to let themselves 
    out if you have a yard 
<Jo-> Animals have to be fed, watered, brushed, taken to 
    vets. 
<Jo-> $$$$$ 
<HelloKit> True, you do have to put up with the 
    maintenance tasks that come with any pet. And in most 
    cases the animal probably isn't able to help with those 
    tasks. 
<SBWheels> some store owners or restaurants refuse admittance 
    even though there are laws that guarantee entrance 
<Bubbles-> just like kids really 
* HelloKit . o O ( How I would love to have a dog that 
    picks up its own poop... ) 
<jrt> yes, but even if you never do any of that Jo, they 
    still love and respect you no matter what 
<Jo-> If they threaten to call a cop, you just tell them 
    go ahead. The cop will make them comply. 
<haa> Animals have a lot in common with the disabled 
<Jo-> thats what I got ferret for he is pooper scooper 
    for yard. 
<Bubbles-> they dont slam doors in your face and tell you 
    where to go 
<jrt> lol 
<Bubbles-> not for you jo?:) 
<HelloKit> lol 
<Jo-> Nope I change my own diapers thank you. 
<jrt> No I'm affraid I'm an animal olver 101%:) 
<jrt> lover 
<judi> Me too 
<Jo-> chihuahuas have been found to be big help for asthma 
    patients. 
<Bubbles-> you can love your pet, just dont LOVE your 
    pet:) 
<jrt> yes and poodles as well:) 
<HelloKit> In your experience (personal or otherwise), what 
    do you think is the best kind of service animal to have? 
<judi> I've got one and I have asthma 
<Bubbles-> whatever best serves your purpose 
<judi> Do you mean breed? 
* HelloKit wants a monkey, but that's just cuz they're so 
    cute! 
<Jo-> One that fits in the sink to wash. Cause lifing 
    that 30 lb one into tub and washing it is a hassle. 
<jrt> dogs, and even though they are big, ponies and 
    horses that the disabled kids ride:) 
<BuBbAgUmP> I think alot of times animals know how we are 
    feeling. They know what we need. A dog beside of you 
    helps more than you know. And a cat on your lap helps 
    to. And then you can't forgrt a horse. All ways good to 
    get away for a while. They sometimes know how we feel, 
    because in a waya they may be going thorugh the same 
    thing. I know thats corney but true 
<judi> That's why I was wondering why Golden Retrievers are 
    considered the best breed 
<Jo-> Kit they have a program called Sonrises that has 
    horses for handicap people to ride in San Angelo. Special 
    progam for disabled as part of therapy. 
<jrt> I agree Bubba:) 
<HelloKit> I've heard that even ferrets (sorry Jo... hehe) 
    can be trained to fetch things, do zippers and buttons, 
    etc. 
<jrt> yes we have riding for the disabled out here:) 
<beetlebug> there's a lot to be said for conpanionship 
<Jo-> Monkey is good but run risk of diseases and 
    temperment, and many cities ban them. 
<Bubbles-> I was really hoping daniel would be on 
    today....i had a great joke for him 
<Jo-> Yeah he does really good. Got friend that has two 
    of them and they can zip her dress. 
<jrt> Judi the golden retriever would have to be one of 
    the most gentle dogs you could want and they are very 
    easy too train:) 
<BuBbAgUmP> I perfer a Lab myself. They are a very strong 
    dog 
<judi> There was a diabetic here in Henderson that went 
    into insulin shock and her dog hit the 911 button on the 
    phone when he couldn't wake her up 
<Bubbles-> golden ret.. savaged a young boy last week 
<Jo-> I depends on where you live and how much you can 
    do in dog care as to the type of animal they match you 
    with. 
<judi> Saved her life 
<Bubbles-> very unusual 
<BuBbAgUmP> A believe a Dalmation to be a very very good 
    dog also 
<jrt> really, didn't hear about that one Bubbles... 
<Jo-> Dalmation is dumbest dog in world. 
<Bubbles-> beautiful dogs 
<judi> One site also recommened Welsh Corgies, another 
    Dobermans 
<jrt> no spaniel are the dumbest dog... 
<HelloKit> Yes, they're dumb, but so adorable :o) I've 
    always wanted a Dalmatian; my mom says I'm nuts. 
<Jo-> beautiful but dumb, very hard to train and have 
    problems with deafness. 
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<Bubbles-> nearly severred the jugular 
<beetlebug> hey,liz 
<SBWheels> hi elizabeth :) 
<Mimi2> hi liz 
<judi> hi elizabeth 
<jrt> Hi liz:) 
<elizabeth> hello everbody 
<Bubbles-> jack russells annoying dogs 
<Bubbles-> :) 
<Jo-> Any dog can turn vicious if right provacation. 
<Bubbles-> hey there lis:) 
<Bubbles-> afgans really stoopid 
<elizabeth> hello 
<HelloKit> True Jo, I know... I have brothers :o/ 
<BuBbAgUmP> I have had 3 damations and I have had them 
    trained. Never had any real health problems til old age. 
    We breeded them. 
<jrt> well I know that I'm bias here but the jack russell 
    is a great dog with kids, the elderly and through my 
    experience the disabled as well:) 
<Jo-> That is why little children should never be alone 
    with them. Kids bop them and pull on them and they snap 
    and you got problems. 
<BuBbAgUmP> dalmatian 
<HelloKit> I'm trying so hard to keep my brothers from 
    ruining my chihuahua before I can get her out of here. 
<Bubbles-> great jrt you bit:) 
<jrt> You'll keep.... 
<Jo-> Chihuahua are too delicate for rough housing with 
    boys. 
<Bubbles-> lol;o) 
<haa> who has these helpful animals 
<judi> German Shepherds are good police dogs 
<jrt> yes:) 
<HelloKit> Have you, or someone you know, ever encountered 
    discrimination against a service animal? 
<Jo-> I've got a chihuahua and a pound puppy. The pound 
    puppy picks things up off floor for me all the time. And 
    tells me when someone is in yard. 
<judi> There's one place caleed Canine Companions 
<Jo-> Yeah restaurant tried to keep out seeing eye dog and 
    we all ganged up against them. 
<Bubbles-> i think all animals are able to serve different 
    purposes 
<jrt> I've heard about it.... 
<BuBbAgUmP> Nope 
<judi> Happened in a town near me 
<Jo-> City of San Angelo Tx took a womans monkey away for 
    it biting a visitor. Almost killed it to send head of for 
    rabies test. 
<judi> Never did hear how it ended up 
<haa> my maltese drives us nuts when people come 
<Jo-> Monkey is still alive but now they won't let owner 
    have it back because it violates city code. 
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<Bubbles-> pets in restaurants and breast feeding seem to 
    be the problems 
<Bubbles-> in public 
<jrt> trust you too think of breast feeding Bubbles<g> 
<HelloKit> :o) 
<Jo-> Monkey named Ted E. Bear 
<haa> hi carly 
<judi> Service dogs are trained to sit quietly by your 
    side 
<Jo-> Made headlines all over and city getting mail you 
    wouldn't believe. 
<Mimi2> anyone who has a problem with babies eating 
    naturally in the restaraunt needs to seriously get a life 
<Bubbles-> ;op 
<Bubbles-> i hate chuck 
<Bubbles-> hear hear 
<Jo-> Some stores have tried to keep out service animals, 
    especially big malls, but have been stopped by laws. 
<jrt> :-p see bubbles na...na... 
<Jo-> little children must play. 
<Bubbles-> thhhhhhhh:oPPPP 
<HelloKit> Is anyone considering getting a service animal at 
    some point in the future? 
<judi> Me 
<Bubbles-> no, sorry 
<jrt> not unless i really needed one... 
<Jo-> Got 2 dogs now, one big enough to pull me in chair 
    if needed and chi for asthma thats enough. 
<Bubbles-> i'll be your hound dog:) 
<judi> I love to go aside, but would be afraid to try it 
    without someone with me. A service dog can help with that, 
    too 
<judi> Sorry, outside 
<Jo-> There is a group that specially trains them for 
    assisting wheel chair people, harness similar to seeing eye 
    but shorter. 
<BuBbAgUmP> I already have a dog, but I would like to go 
    into some training training on the side 
<judi> Yes, several groups 
<judi> Biggest problem is long waiting lists 
<Jo-> There are dogs for the blind, dogs for the deaf, 
    dogs for wheelchair users, and dogs for nursing home 
    patients. 
<HelloKit> For those considering it, what are your concerns? 
<Jo-> long waiting list and big $$$$$ 
<jrt> yes # dogs and 1 cat plus tropical and gold fish, 
    don't need anything else at the moment, besides a 
    pony/horse:) 
<Bubbles-> 3 ? 
<jrt> 4 that is 
<Bubbles-> close 
<jrt> 3 sorry:) 
<HelloKit> Jo: Amen 
<judi> Not big bucks 
<Jo-> Now pull up my blanket and kiss me goodnight mommy 
<jrt> how much does a dog cost? 
<Jo-> We did just finish saying prayers right kit. 
<HelloKit> lol 
<judi> Canine Companions charges $100 and another place was 
    $250 
<HelloKit> Really? That's all? 
<jrt> could you sya get a dog and send it off to get 
    trained privately? 
<jrt> say 
<judi> They are mainly not for profit agencies that rely 
    on contributions 
<Jo-> I've know people to pay up to $5,0000 for a fully 
    trained dog and their training and break in program that 
    is a good deal you found. 
<judi> One place I read about did, but if the dog doesn't 
    pass all the certifications, they won't continue 
<jrt> I have no idea re the costs of a service dog:) 
<judi> Do a net search, its an interesting subject 
<HelloKit> Yahoo has a whole category on service animals. 
    That's where I got the topic idea :o) 
<jrt> i will judi:) 
<jrt> right:) 
<Mimi2> bbl :o) 
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<judi> Hey, where's Daniel? 
<jrt> am I laggingh or has it gone all quiet? 
<HelloKit> He's gone until Friday. 
<judi> oh 
<Bubbles-> shhhhh trying to think:) 
<Jo-> I knew I smelled something. 
<HelloKit> Well guys, sorry I couldn't make this last the 
    whole hour, but I do have one more question... 
<BuBbAgUmP> Shoot 
<jrt> took the words right out of my mouth:) 
<Jo-> She is trying to streach it out the full hour! 
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<HelloKit> Do you think we should post a survey on service 
    animals and people's experiences in next month's edition of 
    WheeliWeb Gazette? 
<DocKeaggy> hello all 
<Jo-> Hi Doc! 
<Bubbles-> hey:) 
<jrt> Hi doc:) 
<DocKeaggy> hi Jo 
<HelloKit> And, if so, what questions would you like to 
    see asked? 
<jrt> yes why not carly:) 
<judi> sounds fine to me 
<DocKeaggy> and all 
<judi> Hi Doc 
<Jo-> Sure why not, get more response from those that 
    couldn't be here tonight. 
<DocKeaggy> hi judi 
<DocKeaggy> and jrt 
<jrt> what type or breed of animal? 
<DocKeaggy> and bubbles 
<BuBbAgUmP> Yea 
<DocKeaggy> a lot of people are here tonite 
<SBWheels> hi doc :) 
<Bubbles-> meeting on your'e late 
<jrt> what the animal does for the person? 
<Jo-> What type of animal they have or want, name of 
    resources to go to for animals. Any good or bad experience 
    they have had with animals. 
<judi> Good night guys, I've been sick again, not much 
    stamina 
<Jo-> nite judi 
<SBWheels> good nite judi :) 
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<jrt> :( Bye Judi:) 
<Bubbles-> nite judi:) 
<BuBbAgUmP> I would like to know some neat stories on how 
    the animal helped the persons 
<DocKeaggy> I'm back 
<DocKeaggy> hi Sb 
<HelloKit> eek, I'm gonna split... 
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<SBWheels> netsplit :( 
<DocKeaggy> wb youtwo 
<DocKeaggy> :) 
<HelloKit> Hehe... told ya :o) I'm psychic! 
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<DocKeaggy> why don't you be our weatherman hellokit, ours 
    thought the weather whould be ok today 
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<BuBbAgUmP> Kit U2?....lol 
<HelloKit> Am I good or what? 
<HelloKit> lol 
<SBWheels> wb elizabeth :) 
<DocKeaggy> for real though 
<Jo-> : -) 
<Bubbles-> wb 
<HelloKit> No, I'm only kidding... they warned us :o) 
<DocKeaggy> it snowed like a crazy man today 
<DocKeaggy> they didn't us 
<elizabeth> thanks 
<HelloKit> How does a crazy man snow, Doc? ;o) 
<DocKeaggy> lol 
<Jo-> where are you doc? 
<DocKeaggy> KY 
<HelloKit> Before I close the log, does anyone have anymore 
    ideas for the survey? 
<DocKeaggy> chows rule 
<haa> got to go, bye to all 
<DocKeaggy> there 
<DocKeaggy> :) 
<DocKeaggy> bye haa 
<Jo-> Ask average annual cost of maintenance of animal. 
<jrt> can't think of any thing else carly:) 
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<DocKeaggy> I outta go too, I have a whole lot to do and 
    not much time at all. Bye all! 
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<jrt> hey bubbles keep an eye on your e mail later<g> 
<Bubbles-> did you recieve a response from me jrt? 
<jrt> I think I did, the other day? 
<Bubbles-> yes....i replied 
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