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Participants:
  HandiBot
  Disabled
  Mimi
  Mooooooo (dse@pacific.net)
  jrt (twyford@sv.net.au)
  ChanServ
  Diablo
  HelloKit (carlym@u.washington.edu)
  Karen_
  Deb^
  Den
  Emmert
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* Mimi is back 
<Mimi> Raven! 
<Mimi> how are you? 
<Emmert> just had a bath 
<jrt> air con and fans still on:) 
<Mimi> ping me 
<Deb^> mimi! hi1 
<Mooooooo> hello emmert 
<Emmert> hi 
<Deb^> bad mimi 
<Deb^> of course, you won't get this yet 
<Deb^> dahhhh 
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<&Mooooooo> oh joy, the lag is thick tonight 
<Mimi> hello? 
<jrt> well it's okay over here I think:) 
<Emmert> never been here on wed. 
<jrt> Mimi you still there??? 
<jrt> this is the first time for me too:) 
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<jrt> Hi Jo:) 
<Emmert> hi jo 
<Jo-> Hello Everyone! 
<jrt> how are you feeling? 
<Emmert> ok 
<Jo-> Had a good day. No new acute attacks. 
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<Mooooooo> hi jo!!! 
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<HelloKit> gggggrrrrrrrrrrrr 
<Mimi> hello? 
<Mooooooo> lag is ending i think 
<jrt> good:) 
<Jo-> Hello Mooooooo ferret says hi to everyone. His hasn't 
    broke yet. 
<HelloKit> My stoopid (intentionally misspelled) modem locked 
    up on me. 
<Jo-> HelloKit! smile 
* HelloKit grins. 
<Mimi> hi to FF, Jo :o) 
<Emmert> how many of u have a family 
<Mimi> I do, Emmert 
<Den> Sheeeeeeeee 
<jrt> drop kick... 
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<Mooooooo> hmmm 
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<Mooooooo> the bots didnt do their job 
<jrt> no??? 
<Mimi> hi wheelin :o) 
<Mimi> Amber! :o) 
<Mooooooo> Amber :o) 
<jrt> Hi Amber, Wheelin:) 
<Raven_> hmm...nice show of intellegence............ 
<Raven_> MIMI 
<Jo-> Ferret is in shock! Didn't know that existed here. 
    Welcome to world of disabled with idiots like him to make 
    our day. 
<Wheelin> Hi Mimi, hi everybody... 
<HelloKit> Shoot... guys, we're having power problems. Nice 
    timing. 
<Mimi> Raven :o) 
<Mimi> how are ya? 
<Emmert> 32 
<Amber> Hello, all 
<HelloKit> Daniel, I'm sending you the questions. 
<Den> well u can Moooo send him a realin for couple hours 
    from server. 
<Raven_> was teaching someone how to use our irc, sorry... 
<Amber> I am happy. 
<Mooooooo> i just k-lined him 
<Den> lol 
<Amber> Just a good day. 
<Mimi> cool, teach him right :o) 
<Den> way to go 
<Mimi> great, Amber, I had a good day too :o) 
<Amber> Should I be Dancer? 
<HelloKit> I'll stay for now, but one more flicker and I'm 
    gonna have to shut the computer off. 
<jrt> fix hi little red wagon 
<Mooooooo> stay Amber :o) 
<Raven_> her...best i could (not very) 
<Raven_> meeting tonight? 
<Amber> OK. 
<HelloKit> Yes, Raven, I'm getting there... ;o) 
<Amber> Yeah, bear with them. 
<Amber> Smile. 
<Raven_> lol, k 
<Diablo> what is todays topic 
<HelloKit> Now that all our problems are taken care of (I 
    think)... are we ready to start? 
<jrt> family or something... 
<Amber> Look in your window bar, family matters. 
<Emmert> mimi i think your the only 1 with a family 
<Mooooooo> ready 
<Amber> Not the sitcom. 
<Amber> No, I have one to. We all do. 
<HelloKit> Okay, first question... 
<Amber> Parents, sisters brothers. 
<HelloKit> Has anyone ever had a problem with family 
    members accepting you as a person with a disability? 
<Emmert> oh 
<jrt> no 
<Emmert> im single 
<Diablo> no 
<Jo-> yes 
<Karen_> no 
<Mimi> When I told the inlaws I had epilepsy they all got 
    weird and uncomfortable with me 
<Amber> Hard one. But if I read you right, no. 
<Mooooooo> no siblings Emert? 
<Diablo> mine came up as a big accident 
<Mimi> now, I have a neice who delights in the saying 
    'don't have an epileptic fit about it' 
<Amber> Not good, sir. 
<Emmert> brothers 
<Diablo> although some family members treat me as an 
    incopant fool 
<Den> Well yea in a way, mine don't understand the 
    problems of illness that impare, same thing i guess. 
<Jo-> Think you are still supposed to operate as superwoman 
    and do all did for them before no matter what happens to 
    my health. 
<jrt> but I have never told my Mum and Dad 
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<Emmert> but there there out of town 
<Amber> Oh, they always say don't be spastic at school. 
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<HelloKit> Of course I don't remember this, but I'm told 
    that my mother's relatives kinda shyed away when I was 
    born. Mom had one cousin who was the only one not afraid 
    to hold me. 
<Den> yea exactly the same Jo in a way. 
<Apehanger> HELLLO everyone:0) 
<jrt> Hi :) 
<Mooooooo> hi ape 
<Amber> Hi 
<Mimi> hiya ape :o) 
<Diablo> hello ape 
<Jo-> hi ape 
<Apehanger> It's snowing here... alot 
<jrt> my Mum and Dad are too old don't want to worry 
    them with it 
<Raven_> ok, pizza box trauma occurred, sorry 
<Apehanger> WEEEE HOOOOOOO 
<Emmert> i was close to my parentst 
<Den> Well my mom is pretty steady, they are old too, 
    butt my dad is a chronic worrier anyway. 
<Diablo> ohhhh i have those pizza box tramas all the time 
<HelloKit> I've always had a love/hate relationship with my 
    parents... literally. 
<Mimi> haven't we all, Carly? 
<jrt> they would probably cope but they are 2000k awat and 
    don't want to stress them out 
<Amber> I hear you. 
<Jo-> It is hard to get parents to accept problems. They 
    want to make believe doesn't exist or feel guilty about 
    them in some way. 
<Apehanger> Don't even go there!! 
<Raven_> we had company, anmd i was picking ove the 
    leftovers 
<jrt> away 
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<HelloKit> How do you think a situation like this can be 
    helped? 
<Den> Hahhaaa getting hungry already 
<Amber> Time, truly. 
<Amber> That sounds stupid but... 
<Mimi> I don't know...it's all too new 
<jrt> well I figure what they don't know won't hurt them 
<Emmert> never hated mom 
<Den> It sure does fix every thing, look at the Dinasaurs, 
    fixed them good. 
<HelloKit> lol 
<Amber> sometimes, it's the only thing that works. 
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<Mimi> that's what I figured too, jrt, but then I found 
    out that the day comes when it's unavoidable 
<Jettin> hi everyone 
<Apehanger> Hi Jettin 
<jrt> well my real Mother died when I was 15 1/2, this 
    is my step Mum, but we treat each other like mother and 
    daughter 
<Den> In excense, I don't like that belief, ur usually 
    talking about a circumstance that you have no control over, 
    so find something else to do. 
<Diablo> time i have found over the years may not cure 
    everything 
<Jo-> The older parents get, the more worried about us 
    they are. What happens when they are gone? Lots of 
    pressure on them to. 
<Diablo> (but it sure does help you forget 
<Amber> Abled tell don't understand that we can't just say 
    up yours and walk out when angry if they literally feed 
    us. 
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<Apehanger> Hi Ray1 
<Ray1> Hi, all. 
<Amber> So you just have to wait and pray. 
<Mimi> wow Amber 
<jrt> Hi Ray 
<Diablo> hey i've told a few people the could shove it 
    and to get out of my face 
<Amber> What? 
<Amber> But not your parents? 
<Apehanger> That's a pretty funny accent. Comming from 
    Calif..:0) 
<Diablo> although they usally just come back in a few 
    minutes and try to help out more 
<Ray1> Hi, jrt. 
<Jo-> Concentrate on ourselves and trying to be happy and 
    take care of ourselves. Let them work out their hangups. 
<Amber> What, mimi? 
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<jrt> yes people have to accept you for what your are not 
    what you look like 
<Jo-> We can't cure the ills of the world. We just have 
    to try to do whats best for us and let them adapt. 
<Mooooooo> hi tracy 
<HelloKit> Tracy! 
<Apehanger> That's why they call it a family joe. Teamwork. 
<Red_> hello everyone! 
<Apehanger> Sorry ...Jo 
<Amber> You can feed yourself, though. 
<jrt> Hi Red 
<Emmert> hi red 
<HelloKit> In families where child abuse occurs, the 
    disabled child is often the main recipient of abuse. Has 
    anyone had any experience with this? 
<Apehanger> Hey yo.. 
<Red_> hi jrt, hi Emmert 
<Den> no sure not 
<Mimi> I know, Amber, that's what I'm saying...I had never 
    realized that before 
<jrt> no, but let me with the parents for a few minutes 
<Apehanger> I was living on the street when I was 15yrs. 
    old.. 
<Amber> In slight form, yes, and no more will be said on 
    the question from me. 
<Mooooooo> my step-father was always mentally abusive to me 
<Diablo> hello red 
<Mooooooo> he hit me a few times but mom set him straight 
    fast 
<Red_> hello Diablo 
<Mooooooo> but he still plays the mental games with me :o( 
<Diablo> i've never had that problem 
<Red_> tough subject! 
<jrt> I'm not going to comment any farther on this 
    question, otherwise l'll mad 
<Diablo> just do something to him in his sleep that he 
    won't ever forget 
<Jo-> Mother is really good at mental games and guilt 
    trips. Even with her 75 and me 51. 
<Diablo> (because he has to sleep no mater who he is) 
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<Amber> That's when you learn to play back, bub. 
<Apehanger> Don't forget Diablo.. you too must sleep. 
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<iwiW> grrrrrrrrr 
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<Apehanger> EEEEEK!!!! 
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<Jo-> But abuse can be stopped. We have to open our 
    mouths and stop them. There are laws. And you can hang up 
    the phone. 
<Diablo> well you have a small point there but who's 
    counting 
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<Raven_> no, kittym but i've known others that have been 
    abused 
<Jo-> Again these are our lives and our bodies, we have 
    rights and we have to stand up for them. 
<Amber> That's when you start dancing. Confound them. 
<Apehanger> -42! 
<Amber> Even if we can't stand. 
<jrt> I just think it sucks and if I ever saw or heard 
    about it, the parents (if you can call them that) would 
    have me to answer too 
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<HelloKit> aaaaarrgghhhhhh 
<Mimi> wb :o) 
<HelloKit> Anyway, as I was about to say..... 
<HelloKit> I never experienced it, but a very good friend 
    of mine was severely abused by her stepfather. It got to 
    the point where when she turned 18, another online friend 
    of ours flew up to Seattle and moved her down to 
    California with him just to get her out of the situation. 
<Mooooooo> still together? 
<Den> Well I have found in my family favortizm among 
    children is a inherited problem maybe, my dad was his moms 
    favorite and thus my brohter my dads, any one ever deal 
    with that? 
<Jo-> Gotta go take meds stop coughing. Catch you next 
    week. God Bless! 
<Apehanger> Why all the hoslilities anyway??? Don't forget I 
    came in on the middle of this. 
<Den> bye JO 
<HelloKit> They aren't a couple, more like a big brother 
    thing... but yes, she still lives there. 
<Amber> Bye. 
<Raven_> verbal abuse is rathher common, i think 
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<jrt> not me, but John,s family is a bit like that 
<Amber> Yes. 
<Emmert> hey apeh how was it sleepin on the the street 
<HelloKit> Another form of abuse is the practice of using 
    a person's disability against them, or taking advantage of 
    their situation. Has this ever occured in your family? 
<Den> I c, well it is happening in mys sisters family 
    too, her older son is her favorite, these seem to be 
    handed down some way. 
<Amber> But it teaches you your own value, cause you 
    suddenly find some other music to dance to. 
<Raven_> minor if at all 
<jrt> no definately not 
<Apehanger> NOT FUN at all.:0( 
<Amber> Same as raven 
<Amber> they enjoy the rent, though. 
<Mimi> my mom has used it as an excuse to keep me from 
    going out or drinking too much 
<HelloKit> Mine is often used as a revenge tool... sort of 
    what Amber was saying, if you say something someone doesn't 
    like, you go without food, clothes, whatever it is you end 
    up needing help with. 
<Apehanger> I lived and ate in garbage cans cold, hungry, 
    broke, wired, scared... 
<Emmert> why did u do it 
<Raven_> ape, that's awful 
<Apehanger> Now what have you'all been talking about? 
<Den> oh gee Apenhanger 
<Raven_> abuse 
<jrt> can't you tell?? 
<Emmert> i agree 
<Red_> yea, we are all dealt hands 
<Apehanger> But don't feel bad for me, I learned alot. 
    Alot more than you will ever know or ever care to see. 
<jrt> there is always somebody worse off than yourselves, 
    you find 
<Apehanger> YUP!!!! 
<Diablo> yeah you always find some one 
<Raven_> I'M SURE you did get 'STREAT-SMART' 
<Den> sure can jrt 
* HelloKit nods in agreement with jrt. 
<Red_> it doesn't change the fact that it is sad 
<Den> What do u do now Apenhanger? 
<Apehanger> Hey! I'm not so bad off, after all I'm on the 
    comp. w/all you people. 
<jrt> no it's terrible, thats for sure 
<Apehanger> I drive a semi O.T.R.. 
<Den> Yea , good. 
<jrt> great 
<Den> I had CDL's till they took them for illness. 
<HelloKit> mmmmmmmmmm 
* HelloKit smells chicken. 
<jrt> not mystical chicken i hope 
<HelloKit> lol nope 
<HelloKit> Has anyone ever had problems with their family 
    being too over-protective? 
<jrt> yes 
<Raven_> CLUKUS KENTUCKIUS 
<Mooooooo> oh yes 
<HelloKit> lol Raven 
<Red_> no, just the opposite 
<Apehanger> I'm a certified Harley Mech. a Machinist, 
    Gunsmith, And best of all I'm a dad to 3 wonderful 
    children, I also hunt, Fish, and watch the Packers win the 
    Superbowl.:0) 
<Den> no just the oposite, pushing and demanding. 
<HelloKit> Den, don't get ahead of me here... ;o) 
<Amber> yes 
<Raven_> oh god yes, they even try to cut my food because 
    i could stab myself...lol 
<Apehanger> Hey den why did you loose it? 
<Den> Well I love fishing. 
<Den> Sorry Kit 
<Mimi> yes...but I'm pretty sure that's not reserved just 
    for parents of the disabled ;o) 
<jrt> i suppose it was hard for my family when I first 
    lost nearly all my sight 
<Red_> GO PACKERS 
<HelloKit> This is true, Mimi. 
<Den> Been almost four years Ap 
<Apehanger> what happened? 
<Jettin> Over- protective is my families middle names 
<Den> Health Ap 
<Den> can't pass a pysical they take them 
<Apehanger> ok no need to go further. 
<Raven_> it's rather annoying 
<Emmert> where is every1 from 
<Emmert> ca 
<Jettin> Chicago 
<Raven_> Kentucky 
* HelloKit is in Oregon. 
<Amber> they don't do it for anything but love, though, 
    jet. 
<jrt> well I'm blind in my left eye and had a cataract 
    in my right eye, was so bad couldn't read the print on 
    paper, but had an operation and can now see, with help of 
    glasses 
<Den> Kentucky 
<Amber> So am I, in Oregon. 
<Red_> CA 
<Amber> Where, hello? 
<Apehanger> Wisconsin ( Home of the Super Bowl Champs.97-98. 
<Raven_> no, really? 
<Wheelin> Wa 
<Ray1> CA 
<HelloKit> The Col. Gorge, Amber. About 4-5 hours from you. 
<jrt> Brisbane,Australia 
<Den> Yea good state Ap and great fishing. 
<Raven_> MSU 
<Jettin> Oh I know it is just a pain somtimes, Amber 
<Apehanger> yup, where do you live den? 
<Emmert> red wher in ca 
<HelloKit> hey! 
<Amber> I the. 
<Den> Kentucky, Appalachian Mountiains. 
<Amber> Agree. 
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<jrt> Hi Mako 
<Amber> Cool, are you a native? 
<Apehanger> I drive thru there once in a while.. 
<Red_> San Diego 
<Raven_> WE'RE ALL IN THE MTNS DEN...LOL 
<Emmert> sac 
<HelloKit> Me, Amber? No, born in Tarzana, CA. 
<Amber> Next question? 
<Red_> yes 
<Amber> Grin. 
<Den> WE are 
<HelloKit> On the other hand, some families may tend to 
    pretend nothing is wrong, and push you to 'be normal', 
    sometimes even punishing you for not being able to do 
    something. Has anyone ever experienced this? 
<Apehanger> Devo 
<Raven_> Wash'te NAs 
<Amber> No. 
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<jrt> no 
<Jettin> We all know they mean well, but we have to make 
    our own mistakes. 
<Amber> Not from family, pretty supportive. 
<Red_> yes 
<Apehanger> Thats life kit.. 
<jrt> yes same here Amber, I'm lucky 
<Den> All the time now, but don't think they relize the 
    problems. 
<Amber> You always know they care, whatever else. 
<Den> Kit u practicing ur Psychology on us in here lol 
<HelloKit> lol 
<Apehanger> I'ts a crude way of your rents wanting you to 
    be the best, and to succeed.. 
<Red_> I was 12 before I realized the cute guys were 
    looking at the way I walked, instead of how cute I was! 
<HelloKit> That stings, Tracy. I know how that feels. 
<Den> lol Red 
<Amber> That hurts. 
<Red_> what a blow that was 
<Apehanger> If my daughter realizes that at 12, I'll lock 
    her away,,..:0) 
<jrt> but really Red those 'cute' guys are usually the 
    worst anyway 
<Den> sorry did u walk different, was out of place there 
    maybe, wasn't thinking Red. 
<Emmert> how many in wheelchairs 
<Red_> now I know they are looking at me for my looks! 
<Amber> Me. 
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<jrt> not me 
<Wheelin> Well, time to head home... I'll catch some of 
    you online later...take care folks... 
<Raven_> in chair here 
<Den> C ya Wheelin 
<Amber> Bye. 
<Emmert> i zam 
<Jettin> bye 
<Apehanger> see ya.. 
<Mimi> bye Wheelin :o) 
<Den> Have a good one buddy. 
<jrt> Bye Wheelin 
<Red_> I walk w/a cane 
<Red_> bye 
<HelloKit> Which do you think is worse? Protecting a 
    disabled family member from ever having to do anything, or 
    pretending/forcing them not to be disabled? 
<Amber> Depends on which one you face. 
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<Diablo> i'm in a chair 
<Red_> both are bad 
<jrt> the second part 
<Diablo> sorry for not anwsering before 
<Den> the first one Kit 
<Mimi> I don't know 
<Diablo> but was away for a little bit 
<Raven_> toughy.......forcing 
<Amber> First. 
<Amber> Having or getting? 
<Den> U need to make these mutiple choice kit, print out 
    nicley..;o) 
<Ray1> Protecting 
<jrt> and the first as well... 
<Red_> why even compare? 
<Apehanger> Unless that person can experience life to the 
    fullest, and learn all tthat they can, both that you 
    mentioned are the worst! 
<Jettin> Both! 
<HelloKit> I ask, because my bf's nephew gets one thing 
    from one side of the family, and the other from the other 
    side. 
<Apehanger> See I stutter...:0) 
<Emmert> bye 
<Apehanger> bye 
<Den> Both would be double standard, most families not 
    capable of both. 
<Raven_> if you allow to be forced, it's your fault 
<Amber> I agree. 
<Red_> bye 
<Apehanger> Well he has to do what;s right in his heart. 
<Apehanger> oops 
<Diablo> don't have too much of that problem here 
<HelloKit> He's only 5 yrs. old. 
<Diablo> parents sort of let me go 
<jrt> no I think you have to be able to learn what you 
    can and can't do 
<Den> Depends on the age about the force, may be to young 
    to rebel in the rite way. 
<Emmert> might be back 
<Mooooooo> brb 
<Amber> Next? 
<Diablo> hey if anyone wants to know about or learn about 
    rebeling talk to me 
<Diablo> i'm the guy for rebeling 
<HelloKit> His mom's side of the family really 
    underestimates him... I mean, even though he can't talk, I 
    know he understands a lot more than they give him credit 
    for. 
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<jrt> l'll remember that Diablo:) 
<Apehanger> He still has dreams, wants, desires. Don't you 
    think he should be able to exp. all that he can, to 
    become a 'complete' person../ 
<Diablo> yes he should 
<HelloKit> And his dad's side... 'When you gonna walk?' 
    'Why won't you talk to me?' 
<Apehanger> Well...There you go! 
<Diablo> you always have to hope for the best until you 
    find out what your best is 
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<Diablo> then go a little further then that 
<Amber> What does he have? 
<HelloKit> Anyway, next question... 
<jrt> Hi Kitsman 
<Amber> Chris, hello. 
<KitsMan> hey yallll 
<HelloKit> Do you ever feel it's difficult to have any 
    privacy from your family when you are disabled? 
<Raven_> ferret-face...lol 
<Mooooooo> yes 
<jrt> sometimes 
<Mimi> hi Chris :o) 
<Amber> I could write an essay. 
<Red_> no 
<Raven_> they barge in wheneve they're in town 
<Jettin> oh yeah 
<KitsMan> hey meme 
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<Den> OH god, I lost all that when I was became ill, 
    home every thing, had to move in with my family, that has 
    been devistating. 
<Raven_> den, i can sympathise 
<Red_> been there, hated it! 
<Diablo> i can't excatly get away when i want 
<Diablo> but i can always try top run away form home 
<Apehanger> That why you have #1 hopes, #2 dreams.. you 
    can reach hopes easier than dreams.. so you never really 
    get the whole effect on ambition because you always try 
    for one step better,,, That's called being a fighter 
    'human'. 
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<Red_> Never lasted long at my parents house 
<Diablo> and scarethem a little in to leaving me alone for 
    a little bit 
<Amber> Testing, my mouse is stuck. 
<Den> Well getting away is not the problem so much is 
    just having a private life of anykind, feel like a 
    criminal locked up with no say so. 
<Amber> OK, at least this works. 
<HelloKit> You're still here, Amber :o) 
<Mimi> hi Denise :o) 
<Apehanger> How old Den? 
<Amazin1> hi Mimi :) 
<jrt> well I've found since being on here I can control 
    where I want to go and who I want to see, it kinda 
    makes up for not being able to drive 
<Diablo> at times i wish i could drive 
<Den> 43 and have been on my own most my life. 
<Apehanger> ? 
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<Amber> I agree, den. I'm 20, though, 
<jrt> we have a storm with rain even:) 
<Diablo> i think that was a little clue there ape 
<Amber> have to see what's wrong, almost done. 
<Den> well at any age, its a tough thing if u have ever 
    been independent. 
<HelloKit> What other issues have you dealt with? 
<Diablo> i wna to be independant 
<Amber> That was supposed to be a question mark. 
<Amber> Same here. 
<jrt> I was very independant till I stopped driving 
<Den> When u start loosing things because of health that u 
    worked yrs for it is so hard. 
<Apehanger> Sorry I might come across as a little slow 
    tonight been up since 01:00 
<Diablo> others treating me like a completely incopantnat 
<Amber> Working on it, but slow. 
<Diablo> and that ticks me off completely 
<Red_> I have been independent most of my life, and when 
    I need help, my family disappears 
<Jettin> I agree 
<Apehanger> 42 
<Diablo> like some of the teachers treating me like i'm 
    totally stupid or something 
<Amber> The meaning of life, ape? Smile. 
<Diablo> and in reality i'm a pretty bright student 
<Apehanger> Well that's why your a student.. 
<Diablo> well all i've got to get off heremom needs to 
    use the phone 
<Diablo> bye 
<Raven_> grumble 
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<Amber> Yeah, happens here. 
<Apehanger> Your not stupid just uninformed.. 
<HelloKit> There was this substitute teacher that always 
    completely ignored me when he was teaching in one of my 
    classes. He thought I had my own 'lessons' from a 
    'special' teacher. 
<Den> What really got me once, my doctor walked up to my 
    parents in front of me, I was in the hospital with a 
    brain abcess, He said, well he's already had some strokes, 
    with this his mental capcity will never be the same. I 
    just shrunk, I whispered prayers of death that day. 
<Apehanger> Do you talk with Jesus? 
<Red_> oh Den... 
<Raven_> bb mims 
<Den> Do i talk with jesus? 
<Amber> Oh, I hate that, hello. 
<jrt> don't you hate it when people talk like you don't 
    exsist 
<Apehanger> yes 
<Amber> Happens all the time. 
<jrt> they think cause I can't see good, I can't hear 
    good either 
<Den> I believe in him as far as I can, but can say I 
    have actually had a good conversation with the man. 
<Apehanger> I'm to big and to loud for that to happen.:0) 
<HelloKit> Well I'm off to dinner, everyone... 
<Amber> Hello, more questions? 
<Raven_> bye kit 
<Apehanger> I don't know you tell me. 
<Amber> I'm going too. 
<Apehanger> bye 
<Mooooooo> /:o( 
*** LOG CLOSED: Wed Jan 14 19:17:44 1998